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Kylo Ren and the story behind his mask

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Light Savior, Jan 24, 2016.

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  1. Light Savior

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    Hi to ALL.First...I NEVER read the novalization or anything about the SWTFA.I making this thread because i have some questions to make and need a little help.I want to know more about Kylo Ren and his mask.We all know that Ben Solo was with Luke Skywalker learning to be a Jedi with other students in a Jedi academy."Something" happen and he turns to the dark side.Snoke seduce him.He get in hands of Snoke.Snoke has a group called The Knights of Ren....This persons works for Snoke and want to destroy everything what is peace and the jedi too.Ben WAS a student with Luke BUT i think he NEVER worn a mask with him(Luke).I NEVER see a jedi wearing a mask before.If there is one please named it.When Ben turns to Kylo Ren he start wearing a mask.I know some Sith wear a mask and some don't.I have a few questions.ALL help is welcome....:).
    1)How did Kylo Ren win his mask if he is not a Sith yet right?
    2)Does he have a mask because ALL the persons in The Knight of Ren has one?
    3)Does he wear a mask because his grandfather wear one(Darth Vader)?
    4)Does Kylo will change mask if he finish training with Snoke?(I know....We most WAIT to see what happen to him in the next movie....Is to soon to tell...BUT...What you think?)
    This question below is because i'm not clear about this topic....:oops:.
    1)Did the FO want to rule the Galaxy and the dark side is with them(Snoke,Kylo Ren,The Knights of Ren)OR The Dark side want to rule the Galaxy and FO is with them???
    If you know more things about Kylo Ren and his mask you can maybe help me...Thank you...:).

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    i'll give it a try in the simplest terms. i also don't wander into the expanded universe stuff, so others' may have deeper/more complex things to add.

    1) How did Kylo Ren win his mask if he is not a Sith yet right? 2)Does he have a mask because ALL the persons in The Knight of Ren has one?

    it's not a Sith mask and being a Sith doesn't require that you have one (it's not like a rite of passage). Yes, the mask is part of his "uniform" as the Master of the Knights of Ren. i don't know if the other knights' masks are similar in design, but they do all seem to have masks.​

    3)Does he wear a mask because his grandfather wear one(Darth Vader)?

    Vader wore a mask because he had to in order to live (it had a built-in respirator). but Vader's mask also served to intimidate others and cast himself in mystery so that he could have power. Kylo Ren doesn't need the mask, but he wears it for similar reasons, probably including his desire to be like grandpa.​

    4)Does Kylo will change mask if he finish training with Snoke?

    i expect not ~ like you said: we'll see!​

    1)Did the FO want to rule the Galaxy and the dark side is with them(Snoke,Kylo Ren,The Knights of Ren)OR The Dark side want to rule the Galaxy and FO is with them???

    this feels like a philosophical question for which there can be no real answer. i think the people running the FO are on the Dark Side. if Snoke is the Supreme Leader and he is a Dark Side practitioner, then it's a question of whether the Dark Side has actual agency that makes people do things or if Snoke is using the Dark Side for his own desire to rule the galaxy.​
     
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    Lets see here:

    1. He wears a mask, but he's not a Sith. You don't have to wear a mask if you're a Sith (Maul, Dooku, Sheev, etc) and you can wear masks despite not being Sith.

    2. The Knights of Ren all seem to wear kind of similar-looking masks, so it could very well be part of the uniform.

    3. He wears the mask both because he idolizes and wants to live up to Vader's example, and because it's the only time that he feels truly powerful/in-control. And Vader wore the mask because he HAD to, whereas Kylo wears it, purely by choice. It shows how little he actually understands about who Vader really was as well.

    4. I suspect that he'll have the same mask in Episode VIII. It's already become rather famous, and part of Vader's appeal is that he kept the same basic look throughout the OT, with minor aesthetic changes.

    1. It's hard to tell right now, but the FO appear to be a group of young, Empire-worshipping fanatics who long for and are trying to bring back the "glory days" of the Dark Times. I feel like Snoke and the KOR have their own agenda that's separate from all that, but we'll have to wait and see to know for sure.
     
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    In an interview last summer, JJ said we would learn more about the mask in the movie ...

    “The movie explains the origins of the mask and where it’s from, but the design was meant to be a nod to the Vader mask,” Abrams tells EW. “[Ren] is well aware of what’s come before, and that’s very much a part of the story of the film.”​

    Source: http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/12/star-wars-force-awakens-kylo-ren

    Maybe another scene that was deleted?
     
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    Or he said it while the movie was filming so the parts that explain were recycled during the entire production process and will be explained in future books (?) .
     
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    Yes...I know.There is a lot information and i really don't know it all BUT your help is welcome.I'm here because i want to learn and understand this things better.
    I agree with you.
    Thanks...now i understand this better.
    I agree here too.
    GOOD point.....Thank you FN-3263827 for your help...:).
    Ok...I always think that Siths always use mask....BUT i remember Darth Maul....he did not have one.I think is the person(the Sith) that make the choice to use one or not.
    Is true.
    I was thinking that MAYBE he will use another one in the future.
    Yes...We must wait....(r2-d2).Thank you Rey24B....:).
     
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    It's funny because the empire isn't some thing that happened thousands of not his reds of years ago...The FO reminds me of Neo-Nazis in the respect .
     
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    Thanks Darth Daigo for sharing this my friend...;).
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 24, 2016, Original Post Date: Jan 24, 2016 ---
    YES...They are different BUT i was thinking who works for who....The Dark Side for the FO OR the FO for the Dark Side to rule the Galaxy???
    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 24, 2016 ---
    Good point.
     
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    Considering he dark side isn't a physical embodiment I don't think it works FOR anyone but she FO woks for the dark side .
     
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    I'm guessing its been a long day, i liked this bit best "anyone but she FO woks"
     
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    It was a long time ago so I forgot what it was but it was most likely a typo .
     
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    you gotta love spell correct, half my sentences look like Im making a language up as i go because of it.
     
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    I typically use my iPhone for this forum so it sounds like I'm on drugs or something .
     
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    If you think about it, in the films, the ONLY Sith/Dark Side user who wears a mask pre-Kylo is Vader. And he only wears it because he HAS to.

    -Maul doesn't wear one.
    -Sheev doesn't wear one.
    -Dooku doesn't wear one.
    -Etc.
     
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    He wears a mask because he's a Vader wannabe. I also suspect he might have hid his appearance when he first turned, maybe.

    The FO and KOR use the Dark Side to achieve their goals. I suspect that the Empire retreated, discovered Snoke or were approached by him and then formed the FO off of the back of that. Snoke would've already formed it be forming the KOR at this point. So they use the Dark Side and spread darkness with it, this empowering it and unbalancing the Force again.

    New information on the Star Wars website tells us that Snoke was underprepared to face Luke. This suggests that he was forced to reveal his hand after Anakin restored balance and is still trying to amass power and must destroy the last Jedi who is a huge threat to him.
     
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    will you link us that please.
     
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    snoke.jpeg
     
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    @master_shaitan
    whats your take, I'm not overly happy about the under preparedness bit.
    one way or other i'd like him to have been around for a very long time.

    luke is a threat to his belief system so, i wonder why they say he is concerned about luke skywalker, which suggests and under preparedness.
    its his obligation as a Sith or opposing dark side user to wipe out Jedi. there is no complex equivalence? concerned about Jedi does not mean underprepared ?

    do you think they are throwing us off with this.
     
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    It pretty much backs up my thoughts on Snoke.
    He is someone who has been badly injured and is vulnerable (obvious by the look of him and Serkis confirmed this). He didn't do anything over the course of the PT and OT because of this. He merely watched events unfold.
    My view is that he resided in the unknown regions, keeping himself alive through the Dark Side (links in with the source of the Dark Side that Palpatine senses).
    Then balance is unexpectedly restored. This weakens him as the Dark Side itself diminishes somewhat.
    This explains why balance could be restored whilst a evil, powerful dark sider could still be alive - he wasn't actively doing anything to spread evil.
    He was merely keeping himself alive.
    So then he is forced to reemerge, before he has regained his power and health. He then has to actively do things to push the Force out of balance so the Dark Side is empowered which in turn empowers him.
    He takes over the FO. Starts to spread evil. Has his KoR boys kill the Jedi. Forces Luke away.
    But he is still vulnerable. And if Luke returns he knows he is a massive threat to him.

    So it ties in exactly with my theory about Snoke being Plagueis.
     
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