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SPECULATION Kylo Ren: Benevolent Supreme Leader?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by DarthPilkington, May 29, 2018.

  1. DarthPilkington

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    i watched an interesting, though likely BS, video that detailed some supposed episode 9 "leaks." one leak has it that Kylo Ren is going to become something of a good leader for the galaxy. he will take the time to address the hurts of the down trodden, help out the outer rim folks that have been destitute this whole time, and try to raise the bar of galactic living conditions.

    this will come at a cost though. the gist of the video is that Kylo is helping the known galaxy by exploiting the unknown, which then triggers a war with those from the unknown regions. enter Thrawn after his disappearance in Rebels. this is all very fan fic to me...

    the idea of Kylo Ren becoming a good leader is very interesting to me. it would certainly expand on the gray morality thing the ST has been going for. thoughts?
     
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    Yeah I think that’s reporting on the Colin Treverrow story that was canned and for good reason
     
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    I do think Kylo will be a "good" leader. At least most of the galaxy will see him as a good leader. This would be interesting because then the Resistance would be even more a group of terrorists. Poe already uses extreme methods in TLJ, as the leader of the Resistance he will be even more extreme. This would have a cool contrast between Poe and Kylo.
    The supposedly evil guy (Kylo) is actually a good leader and the good guy (Poe) is a terrible leader.
     
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    exactly! the juxtaposition of Kylo and his FO and Poe and the Resistance would be cool to explore. i'm not sure how they'd fit in all into one film and still have it resolve, but i do think it's a neat idea.
     
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    Nah it's the leak of a storyboard based on JJ's script. If the leak is to be trusted Ep. IX is going to be weird... The guy who posted it leaked major plot points from TLJ as well. I'd say he "only" got about 30% right when predicting the story for TLJ so you should take this leak with a grain of salt.
     
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    I think, from what I feel about his characteristics, that he never has wanted to be a leader with that kind of a power but he is doing it to spite The General Hux and he thinks he is doing good like his grandfather
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    I’ve seen differing reports on this; one report was what you are saying but another speculated they person was mistaken and saw storyboards and concept art for Trevverows incarnation because in it it mentioned Leia saving Rey from Kylo in the film’s big moment. We know this cannot be possible because Leia will not be recast.
     
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    I couldn’t agree more with you @NinjaRen and @DarthPilkington, that would be cool to explore. Besides it would not be that far off from the way Poe was portrayed in the comic. There were quite a few moments where you have Rey rolling her eyes at him and not being on the same page with his methods.

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    Well, I’d like to believe that it would have been the direction Rian Johnson should have taken the character (or send Poe with Finn to Canto Bight), it would have been something fresh, a bold move, and to mind, more interesting than what we actually got in TLJ.
     
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    Except 'killing the past', I don't even know what Kylo wants now. Destruction of the Republic and bringing order was/is FO ideology, I'm not sure that it was even Snoke's - he was simply using them.

    And if he doesn't do 180 personality turn, I can't see him be a good leader. He is too unstable and his position is uncertain (Hux will make sure of that) for him to be effective. But, I can easily see him dealing with every frustration with violence. Benevolent? Nah.
     
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    I think that Snoke did not care about anything except for his own comfort which the position of the Supreme Leader granted him. Luke, Rey and Leia's Resistance merely posed a danger to his comfortable life.
     
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    Rey shouldn't lecture him though. She is extreme too. Maybe even more than Poe...

    People say TLJ is already bold. But I disagree. This movie isn't bold enough or at least not the good version of bold.
     
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    I think it's a really cool possibility. I like the idea of Kylo being a benevolent leader, because it could open up some interesting things. Obviously, it's all a lie because we know Kylo is a terrible and conflicted person. But I think it's an interesting choice to have the galaxy living under a sort of 'false peace' at the beginning of Episode IX. It's not what I was expecting at all, but it fits with the First Order and I could see how some relevant lessons or themes could tie in to what is happening in the real world at the moment. The Empire were Nazis, the First Order is like North Korea.

    Kylo IS "Supreme Leader" after all...

    The only thing that seems not so great is the idea that the galaxy will learn the truth, unite as a resistance force, and defeat the First Order, all within the final act of the movie. I could see that being rushed or being squeezed into some sort of cross-the-galaxy battle montage, which could be a corny wrap up to the saga if it isn't done well. It just seems like the movie already has to wrap up a lot of loose ends and not a lot of time to do it.

    Overall the leaks make me pretty excited for Episode IX, much more excited than I was when Trevorrow was directing or when the announcement was made that JJ is back on board. On the one hand, JJ is a safe choice, and it makes sense given that he established the whole ST movies as a metaphor for what's going on in real world Star Wars fandom 'thing'...which is really interesting. But on the other hand, he's also the guy that thought having a 'third death star' was a good idea. So I'm still cautious. We'll see what happens.
     
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    My issue with this is then why did he order (in effect) his mothers killing by the line "take no prisoners"" at the end of TLJ when he could not do it earlier himself? That shot was done to show how far he had come as a baddie. I simply don't see a benevolent path for him.
     
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    it could have been a way for him to have closure, to finally kill the past and all that. once his past is erased, what's he going to do? is he going to use his position of Supreme Leader to continue to be evil? or will be start to build, like he tries selling to Rey in TLJ?

    at this point, the FO has won and there is essentially no Resistance, just the handful of folks on the Falcon and the "allies" that weren't there to assist in TLJ. with that in mind, what will Kylo do other than hunt down Rey and destroy her? that's an obvious motivation, but i am very curious to see what else they may come up with.

    at the end of the day, the most likely scenario is that he's just as evil as the Emperor before Snoke, and Snoke before him. he'll be a twisted little freak and will commit horrible atrocities in the name of cleansing, or something as despicable.
     
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    the way i see it, Ren is like a kid throwing a tantrum. one moment you love your toys, the next you're destroying them because you didn't get your way.

    the hope is that, also like a kid, he might still be able to grow up. being the Supreme Leader of the galaxy and out from under Snoke's horrors could actually be the best thing for him in terms of curing his arrested development.
     
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