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SPECULATION Kylo Ren is half the man he used to be.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Enkidu, Oct 18, 2017.

  1. Enkidu

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    For a while I've been convinced that Rey isn't a Skywalker or a Solo by birth, but that somehow by the end of IX she will be Rey Skywalker. No need to argue whether that's right or not here as there are other threads for that. Anyway, it's just speculation on my part based on how I take Maz's lines in the Force Awakens, alongside the unlikelihood of Disney killing off the 'Skywalker' name.

    The point of this thread is to put forward a way for Rey to 'become' Rey Skywalker. Rey is an adult so it doesn't seem likely she'll be adopted by Luke and her marrying Luke would be gross (sorry Mark). That leaves some sort of relationship through the Force.

    Feel free to rip this to shreds, but how about this:

    1) Ben Solo has had Snoke whispering into his brain since his conception;
    2) As Luke starts to train Ben it becomes clear that Ben really is incredibly powerful and gifted with the Force;
    3) Luke thinks that's great;
    4) Snoke thinks that's great too;
    5) Ben has Luke and Snoke constantly pulling him in different directions and inside he is being torn to pieces;
    6) Finally, it becomes too much for Ben and he can hardly maintain his own sanity;
    7) In a desperate attempt to gain peace of mind, he rejects the Light. When he finds out Darth Vader is his grandfather, he takes the voice of Snoke inside him to be his own true voice;
    8) In attempting to reject the Light, he literally pushes part of himself and part of his power out of his body. Somehow, that part of Ben finds a home in Rey where it sleeps;
    9) Ben, however, has made the wrong choice. He is fundamentally 'of the Light' and can't fully separate from the Light;
    10) Rey really was a random desert scavenger, and her real parents are unimportant;
    11) For reasons we don't yet know, Ben just happened to be on Jakku when he rejected the Light;
    12) The Force lies dormant in Rey until TFA when it is awakened by Kylo Ren coming back to Jakku;
    13) Rey does, however, sometimes dream about Luke and she has wrongly started to believe that Luke is her true father;
    14) She will be crushed and disappointed when Luke tells her that he has no idea who she is;
    15) Luke will be terrified when he sees that she somehow has the same unique powers that Ben Solo had;
    16) Rey will ultimately (in IX) be the one to work out what Ben did and why he went wrong, she will have to have a confrontation with Snoke at the end of The Last Jedi in order to start to understand his role;
    17) At some crucial point in IX (just as all hope seems lost) she will finally understand enough to be able to explain to Kylo Ren precisely why he has made the wrong choice;
    18) Kylo Ren will then understand that to get peace of mind he needs to kill Snoke, he will do that and revert to being Ben Solo;
    19) Rey gets to keep the Force powers and adopts the Skywalker name in recognition that she is, in a sense part Skywalker.
     
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    Therefore... Kylo Ren is Paul Mc Cartney.
    I belived Paul to be dead or... Snoke :)

    Only joking...

    My take is that Kylo is sure that he have to do something very specific.
    I believe there's something - let's say a prophecy or whatever it is - that Luke, Snoke and Kylo
    know that has to happen.

    The way Luke and Snoke "interpret" that thing is different, of course.
    And Kylo changed his mind from whatever Luke believed to what Snoke believes he has to do.

    However every one of them was sure, it's up (and only up) to Kylo.

    Then enters Rey...
     
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    I suppose the fact that we keep being shown the world's smallest library in the trailers would tend to suggest there's going to be some sort of prophecy or suddenly newly-relevant ancient lore.

    Perhaps it will re-define what a Skywalker is, so that Disney can sell Rey Skywalker dolls into the 2030s without having to worry about family connections at all...
     
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    --- Double Post Merged, Oct 18, 2017, Original Post Date: Oct 18, 2017 ---
    What if Rey sacrifices herself to save Ben in IX and give him his light back...it all starts with her taking his hand towards the end of TLJ when theya gree to go face Snoke together after Luke refuses to go with Rey...Luke feels it in the force, Ben takes up Anakin's lightsaber, and Ben and Luke defeat what Palpatine started years before .
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    O.o Half of Ben is sleeping in Rey? That's 50/50 romantic/weird.

    But in all seriousness...We can't have Rey getting her power from Kylo. That would defeat the purpose of the character, it would effectively OBLITERATE everything that Rey stands for. She's a lonely scavenger girl who discovers her immense inner power. HER OWN inner power, not someone else's.
     
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    It's more likely that she becomes a Solo.

    I'm hoping that Luke is the one who is pulling him apart by teaching Ben both sides of the force. This should be really bad for Ben's sanity.

    I'm still for Luke and Ben killing Rey's parents. Haha!

    That's like a reversed ROTJ ending. I like it.
     
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    i think it's a really interesting idea, but i do agree with @Dawn that it's problematic for Rey's agency where the narrative is concerned.
     
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    well considering someone posted about JJ talking about JJ and IX, id say it's appropriate.
     
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    I suppose that it's only a problem for the narrative if we assume that Rey's agency comes from her newly acquired force powers rather than from her inherent Rey-ness. On my plan, she ultimately saves the universe not because she has powers, but rather because she has understanding and is prepared to look beyond Kylo's superficial evil.

    That said, I do admit there is an obvious problem with saying that Rey's powers are not hers and really just borrowed from a man. Not sure how to get round that one yet!
     
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    i love the way you think! : D

    i don't think it's an unsolvable problem ~ the solution just needs to be really careful and really clever.
     
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    This he feels as the dawn it fades to gray?
     
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    STP
     
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    They're elegant batchelors.

    Just like Luke.
     
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    “Kylo Ren is half the man he used to be”. I think you are confusing him with Darth Maul.
     
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    I'm not sure if these have been posted before but this confirms that Kylo will be on Ach-to Screenshot_20171023-045153-picsay.jpg
     
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    fake picture is fake. this is probably doctored from Lost in La Mancha.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Yeah this picture definitely has a strong wiff of Photoshop about it :oops:
     
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    He was also pictured at the airport with Mark Hamill and Daisy Ridley.
     
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    say, what's with the negative rating on my post here?
    especially since you appear to agree with me. accidental click?
     
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    Apologies lol it has since been removed. Yes it must have been a mistake.
     
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