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SPECULATION Kylo Ren, the last Skywalker

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Pobody's Nerfect, Feb 3, 2019.

  1. Pobody's Nerfect

    Pobody's Nerfect Jedi General

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    If the prequel trilogy was about ancient prophecies and bloodlines of destiny, the sequel trilogy is a U-turn.

    If bloodlines mattered then Kylo Ren should have inherited Chewbacca's companionship, Luke's/Anakin's lightsaber, the Millennium Falcon, the ancient Jedi texts, and Leia's and Han's final affections. But Rey Nobody got all of those things instead, without even trying and in many cases, without even wanting them.

    The Force has awakened, and has chose somebody new. The Skywalker lineage has been supplanted by a scavenger kid from nowhere, who has grown in the Force faster than any Skywalker ever did.

    But I wouldn't count Kylo Ren out just yet. Because even though the sequel trilogy screams "Bloodlines and birthrights don't matter," we know they do. The first six movies were evidence of that.

    I don't read the spoilers and I certainly don't have any inside information about Episode IX. But I know Kylo Ren is the grandson of a sovereign queen and the greatest Force warrior in the history of the Galaxy far, far away. That has to mean something, and I think it will all be revealed in the final episode.
     
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    In the grander scheme of things, bloodlines and birthrights don't matter. The Skywalker family are just a vehicle in which this story is told in. The fact that we don't even know where Yoda came from or what his species proves that. Let's not forget: Anakin broke a law amongst the Jedi that he cannot have children. Meaning: bloodlines and subsequently birthrights cannot happen amongst Jedi.
     
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    Of course not. Kylo Ren is one of the main characters of this trilogy.

    I think it means that he has to break the Skywalkers' curse. Either by bringing balance to the force or dying and thus ending the Skywalker bloodline once and for all.

    Is it really a law for the Jedi to not have children? We only know they aren't allowed to love and that's one of the biggest mistakes made by the Jedi. Love is essential, IMO that's the message of the ST right now.
     
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    Padme: "This baby will change our lives. I doubt the Queen will allow me to serve the Senate, and if the Council discovers your the father you'll be expelled!"
     
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    On the other hand Padme thought Obi-Wan would help them dealing with the Jedi Order and the kid(s). Yoda also didn't seem to bother much about Anakin's love with Padme. I don't think (hope) there is a strict law against that. But where getting off-topic, I guess?
     
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    On the latest Resistance broadcast JW Rinzler competed that Lucas hated the character of Mara Jade because she was married to Luke and Jedi aren’t supposed to marry. It goes along with the whole no attachment dogma throughout the prequels. While this can change in the future, it was intended not to be allowed during the prequel time period
     
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    I can't say am a fan of Skywalker eugenics.
     
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    Master Ki-Adi-Mundi was "officially allowed" to have a family and kids.

    Beside this "dogma-driven" rulebooks of the PT order, I don't think it's a central message of the stories in the SW canon, that it makes someone automatically adorable, if he his from "special birth" at all.
    It's all about making the right thing at the right moment and living for sthg better and greater than our small egos and sthg like "birthrights".
     
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    Kylo Ren lost his inheritance when he turned to the dark side. So the Force gave it to somebody else. Its kind of like the story of Jacob and Esau in the Bible where Esau sold his birthright.
     
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    Was Luke special because he was Anakin's son or because he brought hope to the rebellion?

    He was both. Had he turned to the Dark Side he might of been powerful but he would have simply been reduced to a pawn in the service of his father or the emperor depending on who won his loyalty. What made Luke significant was that his HOPE enabled change. It gave a shot to the struggling rebellion, and it promised redemption to Anakin.

    Was Anakin special because he was conceived of the Force or because his passion was subverted to destroy the republic and the Jedi.

    Does Rey NEED to be a Skywalker to do what she needs to do or will her actions define her.

    Kylo and Rey are in opposition narratively. He was rich and privileged she traded junk scraps for food. He was an aristocrat from an important family at least for now it appears that she comes from nothing. He has sought power and is driven by an ambition to power that led him to betray and spurn his family. Rey insists on avoiding her destiny desiring the belonging that family brings.

    He struggles to for himself Vader's legacy.
    She is a nobody from nowhere who becomes a great hero.

    Which of them should carry forward the mantle of Skywalker?
     
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