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Kylo Ren's Piloting Ability?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by WhalePlaneStudios, Mar 10, 2016.

  1. WhalePlaneStudios

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    So, we have a brand new character with the blood of both Skywalker and Solo, two families that have shown amazing skills piloting spacecraft. From all of the EU stuff I've seen and read, it doesn't seem as if he pilots his shuttle either. There wasn't much room to show Kylo fly anything in VII, but I think there's a strong chance we'll see it in VIII or IX.

    Thoughts?
     
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    I am not certain if all Skywalkers must be First class pilots.

    Sure, Anakin/Vader was best of the best , Luke was the best pilot, Rey is (presumably she is Skywalker) extraordinary pilot, giving her inexperience.

    But what about Lea, his mother?



    He could be a good pilot because his father Han Solo was on of the best pilots.

    But if Kylo isn't great pilot, it will not be contradiction at all.
     
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    Based on what was seen of him in TFA i don't think he'd necessarily fly anything personally at all as he'd be wanting to be on the ground with everyone in a battle versus in space/atmosphere .
     
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    i think we had another thread about this somewhere.

    i think it would be ironic if he's a crap pilot. in fact, i'm pretty sure he's a crap pilot ~ hahaha
     
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    I searched for it and couldn't find one, but if you can link it I'd be fine taking this one down.

    Him being a terrible pilot would actually be another good way to show that he is still inferior to Vader.
     
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    Maybe he never learned his true abilities from Han Solo so that's why he sits in the MF Pilot Seat being all jealous that someone else gets to learn to fly instead of him ...
     
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    huh ~ might've been a tangent in one of the other Kylo Ren threads ~ my bad. apologies.

    but yeah, i think it would be kinda apropos if he wasn't a great pilot ~ one more thing he's got an inferior complex about. also, that would have probably made his relationship with Han a little awkward. like being a heavyweight champion and having a son who's better at cooking than boxing. hahaha
     
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    Might be why he hated his father. :eek::D
     
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    Leia was able to co-pilot the Millennium Falcon to rescue Luke from the bottom of Cloud City, though she just seemed have have her hands resting on some control mechanism while she dictated orders to Chewbacca. There have been a few Legends stories where she is shown piloting a craft by herself. I'd say spaceship piloting in the Star Wars Universe is analogous to driving a car in our universe; everyone can do it but some people can do it with an extremely high level of proficiency. I think given the same degree of training and experience, a Force-sensitive will always be a better pilot than the average sentient, since they have 'enhanced intuition' and precise control from the Force. That said, I would think Kylo Ren is an adequate, if not excellent, pilot. I do, however, like the idea of him being an average pilot (and in his mind, a bad pilot) because it would give further credence to his inferiority complex; especially since his grandfather, father, and uncle are regarded as some of the galaxy's greatest pilots.
     
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    O, come on, of course he is an excellent pilot! It will be a matter of personal pride for him to be accomplished in that. Also being FS gives him an added advantage.

    I'm 100% sure that in VIII we'll see him piloting his ship.

    Why would anybody assume that he has his own ship but is not piloting it himself is baffling to me!?

    Although this is sort of semi-canon, here is probably the first instance so far we see Kylo piloting.

    LEGO Star Wars: The Resistance Rises


    I have zero doubt that Kylo is an excellent pilot and we will certainly see that in VIII.

    (Boy was I tempted to give Darth Mauls to anybody who thought Kylo was not a great pilot :p It's blasphemy! ) (crossguard)

    Even the design of his shuttle is deliberately reminiscent of his grandpa Vader's shuttle!
    This is a man who clearly revers his grandfather, not to be a good pilot in his mind is probably almost equal to being non-FS.


    P.S. Also, of course Leia being a great pilot is canon as well. I would remind everybody of the speeder chase in the forest of Endor in ROTJ.
    So this is one of the "My grandfather has it, my father and mother have it, I have that power too" kind of things...
     
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    hahaha ~ i'm sorry! i really shouldn't propagate theories that compound impressions about Kylo Ren's ineptitude.

    i feel like i spend so much time excusing and apologizing for his rotten awful behavior that maybe this was an area i could pretend to demonstrate something like objectivity ~ ha!
     
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    o, come on, there is enough making fun of him on Twitter, etc. and all the parody about him is really already over the top. No need to drag the boy down even further. He needs all the moral support he could get (and he badly needs it!) and somebody needs to be on his corner (apart from his mum)...;)

    Calling him a bad pilot is not objective :p
     
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    i know. i am well and duly chastised. i hang my head in shame.
    i'm always telling other people not to apologize for loving him ~ he needs it.

    and sometimes, when the stakes are this high, objectivity is just uncalled for ~ hahaha
     
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    o, I didn't mean that to come off as me chastising you! o dear, no. we are on the same "team"! :D
    I'm just looking out for the poor boy. No need for attributing him even more flaws than he already has. (And he has plenty of those as it is! )
    But I feel very protective when people say, o he turned dark side becuase he was jealous, or because he had high expectations of himself and didn't measure up, or he turned dark side because he is an emo, or such unfounded presumptions...those push my buttons the wrong way.
     
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    absolutely. to be more serious than anyone probaby wants to be at the moment:
    people who call Kylo Ren a temper tantrum-throwing emo brat make me sad for the world.
    there's a reason he's the way he is. and it's terrible.
    this is why we have evil in the world: walking wounded + mocking discompassion = human disaster.

    i mean, it's ironic ~ for all his power and position and specialness, he's a total crashing and burning mess.
    but that's the tragedy of young lives destroyed by corruption. it's not pretty and it's actually not funny at all.
     
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    Also Vader's shuttle and Kylo's shuttle probably have similar design elements due to the governments that they morphed into and using upgraded designs and such ... I'd like to think .
     
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    Certainly, and logically, but beyond that are the more meaningful parallels because they are grandfather and grandson and that the grandson actively is set up to mirror the grandfather is glaringly obvious.

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    does anyone have the cross-section book picture of Ren's command shuttle?
    i'm pretty sure it's a two-man flier. also, when you have a command shuttle, you don't typically fly it yourself. i don't believe Vader did.

    that's not to say he couldn't! and do an expert job of it ~ hahaha
     
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    Hey @FN-3263827
    So, as I thought that these questions are not very spoilery and there is a good chance they might be answered I asked Pablo Hidalgo on Twitter about Kylo's piloting skills. As I assumed, he replied and here is what he said:

    1. 10:24 AM - 12 Mar 2016
      2 non-spoilery Qs: 1) Is Kylo a good pilot? 2) Does he pilot his command shuttle himself? Thanks!

    2. @pablohidalgo
      10:26 AM - 12 Mar 2016
      1) He has skills 2) Presumably no. That vehicle's production nickname was "Limo". Kylo shouldn't drive his own limo. :)

    3. 10:39 AM - 12 Mar 2016
      Thanks for the response! Appreciate it! Just to clarify: "He has skills" as in "he is a very good pilot"?

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      I'd say he's capable. As to how good he is, I'll leave that for a story to reveal and you can be the judge.
    So, there you go - "he has skills" and "is capable".

    Well, now we can look forward to the "story that will reveal how good he is"...:D
     
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    ha ~ awesome! yeah, i figured there was no reason he'd fly his own command shuttle.

    but in the spirit of reading too much into things, with an answer like that, i'd worry my initial assessment might be right. capable is not quite an affirmation of Anakin-level prodigy ~ hahaha
     
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