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SPECULATION Leia, do you remember your mother, your real mother?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by WedgeSalad, Feb 11, 2015.

  1. WedgeSalad

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    I don't know why it popped in my head, but I was thinking of that rather awkward and (pardon the pun) forced scene in RoTJ when Luke asks Leia about her real mother. I may be blanking, but I can't for the life of me remember if they ever had the "I'm adopted," and "Hey! Me too!" kind of conversation together. I strikes me as real-time ret-conning, and the more I think about it, the more it kind of irks me. What about y'all?
     
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    They never had that conversion on screen, but they way that scene plays out it can be safely assumed they'd previously discussed them both being adopted. They'd been friends for four or five years by this point, so it probably had come up at some point.
     
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    That's what I figured with the benefit of many, many viewings and lots of hindsight. But that scene and the one before it where Luke talks to Force Ghost Ben about having a sister ("Leia's my sister!") kind of comes out of nowhere for the viewer. I mean, just a few scenes before, Luke was swinging on a rope holding a gold-bikini-clad Leia, so even by that point, it's not out of the realm of possibility there's some romantic chemistry between them. So when the whole brother-sister-thing comes, for the viewer, it's like, "Wait, what?"

    (And I'm totally ignoring the already much-discussed plot hole rendered by the PT of Leia remembering a mother that died minutes after she was born)
     
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    Yeah, that whole situation is a mess. Between the brother/sister thing and the remember you mother talk, I just avoid thinking about them too much.
     
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    I accept a lot of plot-hole-induced cognitive dissonance when it comes to Star Wars, but this is still one scene that gives me fits. And you're right @Darby it's probably best to take a "nothin' to see here, move along" sort of attitude with this one :)
     
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    The mother conversation I just write off as Leia confusing infancy images of her adoptive mother with intuition of Padme.
    As for the sibling trist...different cultures? Maybe a kiss or two isn't that big of a deal in a galaxy far, far away?
    Fine by me, as long as they don't go full on Lannister...
     
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    Yeah, I'm of the same mind about the remembering her mother bit. But I blame the confusion on the PT.

    But you also bring up another interesting bit...can you imagine a King Joffrey with double the Skywalker DNA? He would probably make Sheev look like a magician at a kid's birthday party. But that's a whole 'nother thread altogether. ..
     
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    I've always thought that line was odd because up until that point, we have no reason to believe that Leia knows she's adopted.

    Also, the PT got it right with Padme dying before Leia could really have memories of her. Why? Because if she had still been alive for a few years, possibly living on Alderaav, Vader would have found her and his daughter. It wouldn't have made much sense to keep her alive.

    George kind of rushed things in ROTJ though.
     
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    Good points about Padme, and yup, and scenes like that do seem like George was hurrying things along a tad.
     
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    The only way I rationalize it after the PT came out is that Leia's memories of her mother are solely due to her natural connection to the force. In her mind it's like she was a small child, but the force preserved her brief images of her mother. If a Jedi can have dreams or visions about the past or present, why isn't this possible.

    That's the best I have anyway.
     
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    I'd say it's a pretty good one :)
     
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    When Luke first asked Leia that question I wonder was she thinking about Bail's wife or Padme, her response must have been Padme. The images, feelings part was that.
     
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    I can't wait to see Leia in TFA because if indeed the force is as strong in her as it is in Luke (to be able to know her real mother was beautiful but sad) then she will kick ass in the new sequel. Are females more (force) sensitive?
    I guess as others have suggested here, a lot of the dialogue on ROTJ was rushed or an after thought.. semantics or not ? I'm always up for some antics..
     
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    I agree with you with Leia being strong in the force, I guess she had the fight in her like Padme had against the separatists in the clone wars, I do feel TROTJ was rushed, anyway the new sequel will be something if she survives TFA.
     
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    If anyone from the OT is going to survive (other than Threepio and Artoo), it's going to be Leia. She's the character that combines Luke's idealism, Han's fighting spirit (not to mention they can go toe-to-toe in the smart-alecky wit department) with her own innate pragmatism and savvy. She'd be the one to carry the banner for what they fought for, and create something new.

    I'm also interested to see how her relationship with her twin brother developed, especially with the knowledge of their parentage.

    I also feel that she has the most practical responsibility. Luke can retreat into the Force, and Han can go back to being a rogue, but Leia carries the weight of leading the Rebellion/New Republic to make a better galaxy.
     
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    The problem with the PT is that it was established that Owen was half brother with Anakin, so they send Luke there to hide him???? Vader knew where Owen lived, and was FAMILY with Owen, plus he was born on Tatooine, so it was a dumb plan to leave Luke with someone Anakin knew.

    in the ROTJ novel, Owen was Obiwan's brother, so there was no connection to Anakin. Heck, Anakin probably wasn't born on Tatooine, as that is probably where Obiwan grew up.

    Sorry, but Lucas screwed everything up with the PT when it came to splitting up the twins. The bottom line is Vader does not sense Luke until Luke uses the force at the end of Episode 4, so he would have never sensed either child since they would have not used the force until they're older.
     
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    Please feel free to correct me, because I could be mis-remembering, but I thought Owen was Anakin's step-brother (Wasn't Owen already an adolescent/young-adult when his father freed and married Shmi?) rather than half-brother.
     
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    That's correct.
     
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    My bad. Step Brother.
     
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    S' OK :) that was just a nit-picky semantic thing. You're right though, he did meet Owen briefly when he massacred the sand people to save his mother. Bu Anakin probably never even gave Owen and Beru a second-thought, and never would've even considered they would foster a kid he thought was dead.

    And you're also right, Anakin wasn't actually born on Tatooine. He and his mother were brought there as slaves, but Tatooine does hold the most psychological meaning to him I think.

    That's why I find the brother-sister revelation in ROTJ so irksome--even if you take out the clunky ret-conning of the PT, it still feels rushed and shoe-horned in.
     
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