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SPECULATION Leia, do you remember your mother, your real mother?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by WedgeSalad, Feb 11, 2015.

  1. WedgeSalad

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    Well, here's my excuse to post the best "Not the Father" Maury clip ever...



    Man, I could've really used more Jimmy Smits in the PT

    [​IMG]
     
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    I cannot see how the first clip of the guy jumping for at not being a dad relates to Bail & Padme, still good clip anyway,Padme should sit back.
     
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    They don't :) I replied to two separate posts and my posts got merged. My bad!
     
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    He replied to 2 posts.
     
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    Ok I got it.
    Yes you to I got it.
     
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    Theory: Bail Organa and his wife received Leia when Leia was a baby. Organa's wife died when Leia was very young but she still had memories of her, all the while not knowing she is adopted. Bail eventually remarried and this woman adopted Leia as her daughter and became her sole mother figure.

    That would explain her thinking Luke is talking about her original adopted mother because that's who she thought her "real" mother was.

    I'm sure there are holes in my logic somewhere but just thought i'd throw it out there.
     
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  7. WedgeSalad

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    I think this explanation makes as much sense as any!
     
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    I thought original thought Bail & his wife were killed by the first death star in ANH. watch this from 1:08
     
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    Well, they were killed (presumably), but I think what @PoeReyMi is talking about happened long before Alderaan went kaboom.
     
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    What i'm saying is Bail's first wife died of illness or something long before ANH and when Leia was young but old enough to remember. Then he remarried and the new wife adopted Leia becoming her new "mother." When Luke mentions "Your real mother" it is conceivable that Leia thinks he is referring to Bail's first wife, who for all she knows is her "real mother."
     
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    Yep I gathered that.
    Luke must have read her thoughts, I did not know Bail had remarried his wife was called Breha & could not have children, Leia accepted her even though she had memories of Padme, do you have a name for his second wife?
     
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    Lol it's a theory I have made. I didn't write a book on it. It doesn't mean because I said this it's now canon. You didn't know this because I just made this up. I'm not citing sources in literature or film or television. I am coming up with a plausible theory that states that it is conceivable that Bail's wife didn't live long after receiving Leia. Perhaps illness or otherwise. It is CONCEIVABLE (not fact but conceivable) that she is remembering her "real" mother as Breha after possibly having been raised by another woman with Bail. Let me say again, it is CONCEIVABLE. I'm not claiming anything as fact.

    Considering there has been time in between Empire and Jedi could she not have talked about her parents?

    As for the name, THAT is what bothers you? You don't know her name?
     
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    Well it sounded like you stumbled on something I missed it sounded factual, I like theory anyway, it is plausible but I would hate for Leia's head to be messed with already playing mom herself, three kids can be a handful,
     
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    It's definitely not the easiest retcon to wrap a nice, little bow around. I agree that it can best be explained by Leia's connection to the Force. Though we don't have much (especially given the reset) canon to support this with ... I've always felt that Leia has a natural Force ability in regards to empathy and "feeling" others strong feelings. Just going by the new canon there's

    1) Leia's seeming memory of her time in her mother's womb. Of course, it's more retcon of potential inconsistencies via the PT than anything else. I still think it's a theory that fits in better than any explanation "in-universe".

    2) Leia was able to sense Luke through the Force at Cloud City. Sure, there's the whole twin connection thing. But I think it still involved Force-perception (albeit unintentional ... much like a young Anakin used for pod-racing). The twin aspect simply made this connection stronger and enabled an untrained, unaware Leia to utilize this skill.

    3) I certainly think her Force empathy contributes to her in politics and being a natural leader. The idea that she was getting subconcious help through the Force doesn't seem too much of a stretch.

    As several previous posters have mentioned ... perhaps, sometimes it's better to simply avoid thinking about such things. However, this is one retcon that I think doesn't require too many leaps of logic.
     
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    Im amazed how long both of them took to connect to the force because Luke was using it from his childhood while Leia first used it on Cloud City.
     
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    Or maybe even in her mother's womb for Leia.
     
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    I don't think Padme her mom experience in feeling of the force before her.
     
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    This is what I think Leia thought after Luke's revelation:

    1) Cool, I have a brother!
    2) Wait a sec... I kissed my brother. Crap.
    3) So that means Vader is my... father? The guy who tortured me, held me when Alderaan was distroyed and froze Han? WTF!!!!

    Lol. Whe I read "Tatooine Ghost" (now non-canon) I liked how she came to term with being Vader's daughter.
     
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    Hey, Leia, guess what? It's my birthday.

    Hey, that's weird, it's my birthday too. Didn't you say you were adopted?

    Yeah, that is strange. Let's make out when we try to figure out what it all means.
     
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    The abruptness of the conversation in 1983 didn't bug me because even in TESB is was clear that Han, Leia and Luke had been spending a lot of time together. Han and Leia were looking at, and talking to, each other in the opening scenes on Hoth in a way that made me think a little time had passed, and much had gone on off-screen in terms of character development.

    Even the with the addition of the PT, it still made sense to me. I thought that Leia remembered Padme because the Organas knew her. It's easy for kids to develop implanted memories just from conversations. (See: McMartin Preschool Case and false memory syndrome). The Organas would possibly even have had pictures of Padme. Leia could easily have had some kind of memory, since she does say it was "just images, really- feelings". Not a memory of things that actually happened, but to her it was real.

    Luke, on the other hand, was raised by people who had met his mother only once, and never knew her at all. No one could "give" him a memory of her.
     
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