Leia Poppins debate

So if Han comes back in Episode 9 because he resurrected himself using the force, that's okay because none of this is real and writers and directors can do whatever willy nilly? I mean, since he has less training than anyone, and since in GL's earliest scripts of SW he was a Jedi too, he's now more in tune with the force and can pull amazing feats like self resurrection, because after all, this isn't real.

I can't help but wonder what's the threshold for ridiculous scenes in SW fans. I guess we all have an ability to suspend our disbelief, we have different lines and expectations, and like I posted before, I'm kind of jealous that my mind is too critical and I can't bring myself to enjoy this trilogy. All power to you if you can, I just can't.

 

Sorry, I was a little vague there...I didn’t mean during the “Leia in space” moment, I meant a bit later in the film where we see Luke reaching out to her through the Force. Her health seems to be deteriorating or in the least not improving up to that moment, but after the connection is made she seems to “come back to life.”

Also...it’s far from a “Jedi island resort,” it’s Rey’s liminal zone, an allegory for Rey’s coming of age, much as Luke’s liminal zone was Dagobah. Yet because Rey is a woman not a man, the symbolism is different. Hence we see taboo scenes of Rey getting uncomfortable while watching her father figure Luke receive nourishment from breasts (signifying Rey starting to sense her own body and things about it not to be shared with certain classes of people), Rey experiencing the feminine version of the light side of the Force consisting of cycles, life, the virgin like caretakers, etc., and Rey experiencing the feminine version of the dark side of the Force - a shirtless Kylo Ren and a dark cave with nothing to offer her but the ability to make endless copies of herself (I’ll let you piece together what all THAT represents).

You may just want to think about the movie a bit more before writing it off. The scenes that may be bothering you are likely doing so because you aren’t grasping the psychology, mythology, and literary devices Johnson injected into this thing. It’s up to you whether you want to dig deeper down the rabbit hole to find the true meaning behind each scene. All I can do is promise you that the meaning is there...you only need to look.

 

Of course her health is not improving. She should have been dead but the plot called for her not to be so a new force power had to be invented.

And yes. It is Jedi island resort. Luke was not there waiting for someone to come along and get trained up. He was there to not use the force and die. But he has to do it a the first Jedi temple. This is an complete contradiction. Why was he there, because no one is trying to make a coherent story across the 2 movies we have seen so far in this trilogy. At this point what we discover about Luke's past 30 years it is a bit of a stretch to believe he is anymore capable in the force then when we last encountered him in ROTJ when he just became a Jedi at the end. So where did this magical power to project himself across the galaxy come from. He obviously didn't learn it from the books because he didn't read them. Now he heals his sister from across the galaxy too. Because the script needed him to so now, new force power.

And no this is transition period in her journey. She did nothing. She earned nothing. She was told basic things about the force reluctantly But now she can perform things that would be difficult to do with a life time of training. Just because. This is my problem with this character. She has no story. She exists for no reason. She can fly a space ship first time in one and fix it. Why not. Defeat opponents in light saber fights for no reason at all.

Think what you want about the prequels, you had 3 movies to build out the story of Anakin. Why he is what he is and does what he does. Same thing with the OT and Luke. But she exists just because. And has all these powers just because.

And no the milk scene was not some symbolism about her being a woman. It was a cheap attempt at laugh.

The cave scene was nothing more than to show she is a no one. It is not somekind of symbol for her and shirtless Kylo rens future force babies.

To give this movie some hidden deep meaning is just wish thinking. These are the same people who are 5 months away from the Han Solo movie and just finished reshooting the whole thing. They obviously have no idea what they are doing.

 

It was bad.

 

I was prepared to see her death. The death of the character I thought It was a great moment. Could be a great farewell. But the scene after that (the flying) was really bad directed and takes out of the movie. Then, I am really ok with Leia waking up, using the force and reveling some kind of jedi power but is really bad executed, forced situation and not plausible, in my opinion. I would prefer something more dramatic. She is drowning, making some kind of protection, she arrives exhausted on the ship... Something more "natural" in that fantasy situation.

 

I just regret that JW didn't borrow superman pooping music. Fit perfectly in this scene since audiences has no clue wtf is going on anyway.

Borrow this line from The Incredible:
'When everyone is super, no one is super.'

 

Positives: Leia actively using the Force before she passea. How etherial and majestic she looked (Leia's main Force powers seem to be sensing others/feeling/healing).

Negatives: How it was staged and shot.

 

People should watch Transformers film to see what happens when audience doesn't care whatever writer make. No soul, only boom boom.

 

I thought the execution was a little goofy, but I had no problem with the idea.

 

Leia poppins scene was really awkward. If creators wanted to show that she is capable of using the force, they could have come up with numerous moments.

Yeah, I know Star Wars is not exactly a realistic Science Fiction, but there is a boundary to space opera genre, if they go beyond that it becomes a parody.

Getting exposed to vacuum of space so abruptly and using force to get back to the ship, yet she remains unconscious in comatose is a parody.

To me this scene never felt like a powerful or emotional moment, but it felt like a Star Wars parody.

 

Apparently, the three times I have seen TLJ, were the ONLY three theaters where folks didn't a) laugh their asses off, then b) throw popcorn and soda at the screen and storm out.

I guess I got lucky.

I thought it was 'odd' when I first saw it, but only 'odd.' Not off-putting, not a dealbreaker, my childhood is intact and normal, the sun rose the next day. I mean to have this even be a 'thing?'

She used the force. These movies are about the force. She used it. I don't see where all the hand-wringing comes into play. I certainly didn't think "aw snap!! Mary Poppins be all up in The Star Warz!!'

It just was what it was. I think in hindsight (if it were me making the film) I would have used that to conveniently write out Carrie's part since she is no longer with us, but that's for JJ to figure out.

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Mmmmmmmmm....not convinced.

In the theater I thought "ooooohhh!! Someone's been reading some 'how to use the force' books, you naughty little thing you!!"

When I saw it, I simply thought it implied some training that we just never saw. I'm down with that.

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Guilty.

 

Just saw this thread and thought it was fantastic beyond belief. Definitely brought a smile to my face, so thank you OP.

I had yet to realize the similarities, even after seeing the scene multiple times AND with Mary Poppins being one of my favorite films since before I knew what Star Wars was. That being said, I loved the scene the instant I saw it.

My eyes welled up watching it in theaters for the first time, especially given the fact that Carrie Fisher passed away shortly after those scenes were filmed. At that moment she became so much more than just a heroine, or princess to me.. she even surpassed the status of angel, becoming a mythological goddess in my mind cannon. The scene was absolutely perfect and I love what it did for the lore.

Also, Leia being equated to Mary Poppins is literally a dream come true to someone like me who loves both Star Wars and Disney, regardless of their faults. Whether it was deliberately done by the film makers with that intention in mind or just a product of universal synchronicity, it couldn't be more fitting IMHO.


-SOAS

"Ride the Tide."

 

This was one of my favorite parts of the movie..

 

To quote Luke Skywalker...."Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong."

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I certainly didn't think "aw snap!! Mary Poppins be all up in The Star Warz!!'

The Dude is on a roll.....LMFAO....

 

I didn't have too much of a problem with it. It looked strange the way it was done though.

It makes me think back to Darth Vader #25, when Aphra was floating in space. I don't have as much of a problem with the Leia scene as I do with the part with Aphra, because Leia at least has the Force.

Maybe, if they had placed this scene right after the part with the destruction of the bridge, maybe it wouldn't have been as noticeable, as the way it was placed in the film makes it look like Leia was just floating in space for who knows how long.

 

We never saw it because that training just kills the Ben/Kylo arc.
Who is the only one who could have trained Leia? Luke.
That would have meant that both Luke and Leia would have failed in foreseeing the dark part in Ben. Plus: Leia, as a mother and a jedi, would have faulted twice.

To me, Leia was a subtle force sensitive. Not an active user. She's able to unconsciously copy a force message sent by his brother, like she does in ROTJ, but she cannot use actively the Force.
To me it seemed logic that Leia was kind an embodiment of his mother Padme, the same way Luke is an embodiment of Anakin.

 

I was indifferent to it until I realized if Leia can do what she did The Emperor is an idiot for falling down that shaft.

It would have worked better if she saw it coming through the force and held the tear in the ship closed long enough for the bridge crew to get out before being sucked out and ultimately dying. Leia should have died in this movie because now all she has is an off-screen death and maybe a funeral in the beginning of the next movie. Not a good enough send-off, imo.

 

How does what Leia did compared to falling down a shaft?

 

The whole scene with Leia using the force, never at one point bothered me. Because we can assume that being the daughter to Darth Vader, her force powers are already powerful, and with 30 years passed, I'm sure she discovers it, masters it with Luke, and so forth. What bothered me more was that there was a lack of pressure disaster when she opened the door.

 

My 3 year old infant nephew said 'the scene is derivative and the pacing is off'. Then he handed me the SW toys I got him for Christmas and stated 'I do not like the Star Wars anymore.'

I was like....'You're 3! What's this 'anymore' nonsense.......you are literally 3 years old!'

He proceeded to shoot me the side-eye and walked away. Backstory, he's always been something of a little sh1t, so there's that.

Side note: I LOVE stories on this forum where folks talk about their 5 year old...4 year old...etc....hating TLJ and everything Disney. Kids love Disney! That's what Disney does! Stuffs that kids love!

'The pacing is off'. Frak you, 3 year old infant nephew!!