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Leia - Senator or Ambassador

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by TIDMADT, Oct 8, 2014.

  1. TIDMADT

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    I went to the databank, expecting to find some reference to the fact that she was an Ambassador (not a senator) but... oddly... the official Star Wars databank has been updated... it used to begin

    Now it simply says

    At any rate, it was a counselor's ship on an ambassadorial mission, not a senatorial one... or so the saying goes... who knows what is canon anymore... are the movies even canon?
     
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    Personally, I dislike discussion of canon - I think its only the intentions of the artists that matter. Like its "canon" now that when Darth Vader throws the Emperor down the thing in Return of the Jedi, he screams "Noooo!" like he did in Revenge of the Sith (in what ended up being the funniest moment of all the Prequels), but it was intended by the artists who created Jedi that Vader stands there in silent contemplation as he realizes Luke was right, and that he can turn back to good. And I think that intention over-rules whatever some wierdo (I'm looking at you, Chee!) says is canon and what's not.

    Anyway Leia directly tells us in plain english that she is an Imperial senator, and I am pretty sure the movies are canon.
     
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    No... no she doesn't... she says, quite specifically

    You can be a member of the senate without being a senator... you could (as I have mentioned) be an ambassador... which is, what I believe, she was...
     
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    VADER
    What have you done with those plans?

    REBEL OFFICER
    We intercepted no transmissions.
    Aaah... This is a consular ship.
    Were on a diplomatic mission.

    VADER
    If this is a consular ship... were
    is the Ambassador?

    Vader knows he is lying because the Ambassador is not on the ship.

    LEIA
    Lord Vader, I should have known.
    Only you could be so bold. The
    Imperial Senate will not sit for
    this, when they hear you've attacked
    a diplomatic...

    VADER
    Don't play games with me, Your
    Highness. You weren't on any mercy
    mission this time. You passed directly
    through a restricted system. Several
    transmissions were beamed to this
    ship by Rebel spies. I want to know
    what happened to the plans they sent
    you.

    LEIA
    I don't know what you're talking
    about. I'm a member of the Imperial
    Senate on a diplomatic mission to
    Alderaan...

    VADER
    You're a part of the Rebel Alliance...
    and a traitor. Take her away!

    It's implied she is a Senator but she could be an Ambassador but seeing as Vader knew there was no Ambassador aboard, Leia is more than likely a Senator but we all know she is the Princess of Alderaan.
     
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    "This is a consular ship… we're on a diplomatic mission…"
    "If this is a consular ship, where is the Ambassador?"

    Vader does not "know he is lying" because there is no ambassador... he asks where the ambassador is... Leia restates the diplomatic mission line when she is captured...

    "I'm a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan..."

    If she were the senator from Aldaraan, why would she be on a diplomatic mission to Aldaraan? She was a senatorial ambassador, on a mission from the senate to Aldaraan... any way you read the script, it makes no sense for her to be speaking in the role of senator representing Aldaraan if she was on a diplomatic mission to Aldaraan...

    We can argue about this all year... what is now non-canon states that she was an Ambassador for her step-father, Bail Organa, who was the Senator... what history will be rewritten as her role, who can say, but at this point, does it really matter?
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    Since you loathe anything that isn't directly from the very original version of the original trilogy, how about you show us where it's ever stated that Leia is a senator.

    Can't do it, can you? I didn't think so. After all, wouldn't Bail still be a senator? Why would she be on a diplomatic mission TO her own planet if she were a senator?

    I've said it before, but you are impossible to have any logical conversation with because you dismiss over half of the Star Wars cannon. It's petty.
     
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    I'm a member of the Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan!

    At first I thought that quote was completely crystal clear, but I guess its possible that Leia was somehow a "member of the Imperial senate", but not an Imperial senator. But like you wouldn't call a janitor who worked for the senate a "member of the senate".

    Why can't a star system have two senators? Or maybe its an inconsistency with the Prequels. Or maybe she's a senator for another star system but she was born on Alderaan - she wanted to follow in her father's political footsteps, but he was still the senator where she lived, so she moved and got elected somewhere else. Or maybe Bail is retired. I always interpreted it that Princess Leia was the senator of Alderaan, and their (cover) diplomatic mission was taking a foreign ambassador back to Alderaan, but really there was no foreign ambassador (and then they passed thru a restricted system where the Rebel Alliance fought and got ahold of the plans in their first victory against the Galactic Empire, then the Rebels beamed the plans to Leia's ship, which was trying to get to Alderaan, but the Empire figured it out, and sent a Star Destroyer to ambush them).
     
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    Right... we are trying to hide Leia's identity by saying she is Bail Organa's child, so we are going to claim she was... what? Not a member of the royal family? Not the heir to the legacy? That she should go somewhere else and do something else because it isn't important?
     
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    Wait which part of what I said are you arguing against?
     
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    Having two senators I could go with.. her being a senator from Aldaraan representing somewhere else is... well... inconvenient...

    Of course, she could have been an ambassador on a counselor's ship on a diplomatic mission from Coruscant to Aldaraan
     
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    Well in the Clone Wars, Padme. the senator of Naboo, was going all over the place, so it is possible for her to be representing somewhere else. ie the Empire in general.
     
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    Yes... but she was on a diplomatic mission to Aldaraan...

    [redacted]
     
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    Right but we never really know from what is said what her mission to Alderaan is other than a "diplomatic" one. She may be needed for a senatorial duty but who knows because she was probably lying between her teeth to Vader.
     
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    <facepalm>

    She was headed to Aldaraan... she was taking the plans there when she was intercepted, and shunted to the secondary target of Kenobi.
     
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    Exactly. The "diplomatic mission" could have been a lie to get Vader off her case. Taking the plans isn't exactly diplomatic in regards to the Empire.

    This is extrememly off-topic too by the way. I'll move this Leia - Senator or Ambassador discussion to the OT sub-forum.
     
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    For what it's worth, on page 2 of the original Star Wars novelization from 1977, the prologue concludes with the following:

    "They were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Naturally they became heroes." Leia Organa of Alderaan, Senator.
     
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    Also, Leia is referred to as a senator multiple times in the script for the original film.
     
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    Padme was a senator from Naboo and went on a diplomatic mission to Naboo in AotC...

    edit: I said TCW but meant AotC:oops:
     
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