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Leia's message to Ben

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by FN-3263827, Nov 28, 2017.

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did Ben get Leia's message?

  1. no, and it might have changed everything

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  2. no, but he may get it now

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  3. yes, but it was too late

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  4. yes, but he didn't care about what she had to say

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  5. it's not important

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  1. Rogues1138

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    Will Kylo get punished???... YEAH
     
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    that's not what i asked. i asked whether the stormtroopers will get punished for not knowing any better.
    you said they'd be put in rehab.
     
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    I said I would put them in rehab and I asked will Kylo be punished?
     
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    right. i just wanted to verify that you don't think brainwashed stormtroopers should be punished.

    i have no idea if Ren will be punished.
    if you're asking should he be punished, i can't honestly answer yet as i can't judge whether he understands what he's doing.

    curiously, though, i feel better prepared to judge someone like Hux.
    and Hux isn't any different than those child stormtroopers, so i'm going to give the genocidal sociopath a pass and i assume (if you're making decisions based on logic rather than emotion), that you would too ~ hahahaha
     
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    Hmmm, skimmed through the last three pages, but as to the message. I dunno. I think it might be daring assumption to think they didn't tell Kylo about Vader. What if the message was simply, "We've all been found out, so things might get difficult from here on?" Dunno.

    With that, I can see how them hiding it from him could add to something else which led him down the Dark path, but I'm not so sure I would be willing to believe that was the main catalyst. I could see it as potentially his reasons for the estranged relationship with his parents, but at the same time I think TFA also conveyed there were other things going on such as Han and Leia never truly getting together officially and Han's smuggler ways, etc.

    I think, if done right and if utilized, the message could have some importance, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
     
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    YEAH.. giving that genocidal sociopath a pass... thats the problem..
     
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    it's explicit in the book that they never told him.

    Han and Leia were married. Han was a legit businessman who raced ships on the side. yes, they spent a lot of time apart because of the differences of their careers, but it's clear that they are absolutely devoted to one another in all of the EU material.
     
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    Ok, that clears it up for me then.
    I still think it should be part of something else and not the main catalyst of his turn.
     
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    but why? he's no different from the stormtroopers.

    kidnapped as a small child, beaten and belittled into his "role".
    he wouldn't know goodness and right from a hole in the ground.
    so what makes him different?
    it is interesting, because it feels like, yeah, there must've been a lot going on in this kid's head already.
    so not the catalyst, but possibly the final fuse?
     
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    No... he is their Leader, he orders the genocide. The disillusioned souls take orders from him and Finn did not shoot any villagers so Kylo should be punished and the stormtroopers when captured rehabilitated...LOL Ben knew goodness but he chose to turn his back on it and continues to fight it... no sympathy from me LOL
     
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    I know your top response was directed at Rogues, but I think there's evidence Kylo knows what he's doing. He may be misguided in certain things, but there's evidence he's making choices. First being, he had to make a choice to turn away from what he knew.

    As far as the message goes, yeah it's interesting. Given the book came out after the movie, it's possible this may show up in the movie if Kylo and Leia end up talking or even if Kylo and Luke end up talking. Then we'd see how much influence the reveal had on him.
     
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    so...chain of command = moral responsibility regardless of your brainwashing?
    where does it start? with Phasma? with Hux? with Snokie-poke? where does it end?

    you're basically saying that if you're a stormtrooper, you get to go to rehab, but if you get a promotion you're suddenly evil and need to be punished?
    how does that even make sense?
    i probably agree, but that's not the point i'm trying to make ~ hahahaha

    if he was feeling "untethered" and confused about his place in the galaxy (a big ST theme). i can kind of see how being told he's Vader's grandchild might make him think he understands a destiny that's not "actual". particularly if it's true that the fishy-eyed toilet monster has been prowling around in his head planting seeds. : o p
     
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    Promoted??? Kylo wasn't trained to be a stormtrooper...DUDE... LOL
     
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    i'm not talking about Ren. i'm talking about Hux.
    i'm saying Hux isn't any different from a stormtrooper. you said Hux was a leader.
    i asked how that makes any difference as to his brainwashing.
    how does it?
     
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    I'm talking about Kylo dude and the letter that he might have gotten... HUX, DUDE...LOL
     
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    that's okay. your inability (or unwillingness) to answer the question is sufficient answer in itself ~ hahahahaha
     
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    LOL I answered the question dude... Kylo knows what he is doing he should be punished and once again the stormtroopers following his orders should go to rehab...LOL
     
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    no, the questions is: would you punish Hux?
    and if so, why?
     
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    I never mentioned HUX. I only mentioned Kylo, Finn, and the stormtroopers. You brought in HUX to avoid my question that Kylo should be punished.
     
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    i answered your question about Ren. a long time ago. i said i had insufficient information to judge Ren.
    i said, however, i felt i had sufficient information to judge Hux.

    and now for whatever reason you keep refusing to say whether Hux should be punished and why.
    i'm trying to make a point here about the difference between logic-based judgment and emotion-based judgment.

    you said the stormtroopers should go to rehab and Ren should be punished.
    i want to know what you would do with Hux. especially given that Hux is no different than a stormtrooper.
     
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