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SPOILER Let's Talk About the B, and C Plot

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by CnlSandersdeKFC, Dec 17, 2017.

  1. CnlSandersdeKFC

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    So one of the main criticisms thrown at The Last Jedi is that the plots concerning Finn, Rose, and Poe are all "bad." It's been said that their not well paced, and have mixed tone. At first, I was in this same camp, but upon further viewings I feel like this doesn't describe them correctly. I think the real problem, is that their uneven in quality to the A plot (Luke, Rey, Kylo) and that's not to say they're bad. In fact, I think they're perfectly serviceable to their characters, and to the world, and situations our heroes are thrown into. They're decent Star Wars stories.

    However the A plot, is a GREAT Star Wars story. The stuff with Luke, Rey, and Kylo is so fascinating, and so gripping that it makes these other perfectly serviceable stories feel less than. They are simply less than the amazing thrills, shocks, and turns that Luke, Rey, and Kylo go through.

    Furthermore, upon repeat viewings I'd say these are the parts of the film that hold up better and improve, because they rely more on their action/drama chops, and less on their shocking story beats.
     
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    You need to go to the sites where people of color talk about this. I keep bringing this up, but I have to do it again. Check a video by Carl Sagan on the Johnny Carson show in 1978, and listen to what he said about Star Wars almost 40 years ago. What you described is exactly one of the things he complained about.

    Rian Johnson didn't break new ground. He maintained the status quo.
     
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    Dude don't bring this race baiting BS in here. Keep that blast in the Finn thread. Finn has always been a secondary character to Rey. If your problem with the film is, "The black guy wasn't the main character," then maybe you're the racist one dawg.
     
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    I'd argue that the Rey/Luke/Kylo scenes were the B plot, that's how it felt to me. Seemed to skim over those scenes or turn them into jokes either side of huge chunks of Resistance/First Order scenes, which might have been more impactful if we knew anything about them beyond one being "good" and one being cartoony and "bad"

    I don't know if anyone has measured but it felt to me like less than a third of the screen time was focused on the force users. That doesn't make it the main plot of the film imo. I don't dislike most of the other stuff, but it just takes up way too much of the film, especially as the last Star Wars film released was all soldiers and space battles as well. Seeing scenes like that have lost their impact for me now. Especially as unlike the OT or PT the visuals aren't ground breaking and it's hard to empathise with, fear, fear for or care about those factions because they've had so little exposition devoted to them by this point
     
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    Butthurt response without thought. Did I say he was the main character or you? Think it over before you come at me, because you're exposing yourself.
     
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    "Exposing myself." lol Jesus get a load of secret society here. Gonna come purge me from the revolution now man?
     
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    Carl sagan 1978 go to 1:00
     
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    You responded without taking the time to check it out. That tells me you are running on emotions and not thought. I'm not here to hurt your feelings, but if they are that's on you.
     
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    i think Poes plot was great. And necessary to see him develop before he can become leader. This movie was the viewers seeing how he started flawed, and inexperienced- and had to learn to be a leader and accept his mistakes, and accept that his attitude was completely wrong. As long as they have him lead in 9, and in a new non-trigger happy way that shows he learned from his experiences in TLJ- then the side plot was completely justified and works really well in the context of a trilogy.
     
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