SPECULATION Lets talk about The Hate (no spoilers)

I especially liked the end of ANH, when Luke went to find Luke on that island.

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I'm not saying it's unclear, I'm saying it's absurd.

 

Agreed.
IMHO,
ROTJ is one of the weaker Star Wars movies; not as good as ROTS.

The Ewoks are simply atrocious; possibly worse than Jar Jar and the Gungans. In fact, all of the scenes on Endor are boring and phoned-in. Speaking of which, Harrison definitely phones it in as Han in ROTJ. On the other hand, Harrison's performance in TFA is one of the most authentic and memorable of the series. I also didn't find the space battle in ROTJ to be particularly interesting; I think Lando and Nien Nunb going into the Death Star core is no more exciting (if not less) than Poe slipping through the opening at Starkiller Base.

Also, I'd argue that there's nothing visually spectacular or especially memorable in much of ROTJ. The characters also don't have as much chemistry as they did in ANH and ESB.

I agree, the scenes with Luke, Vader, and the Emperor are gold.
And I actually quite like the Jabba the Hutt sequence.

But other than that, ROTJ is much weaker than ANH, ESB, TFA, or ROTS.

 

Vital information on droid (desert planet), hunted by baddies, escape in millennium falcon, super weapon destroys planet, heroes escape from baddies again, goodies formulate plan to destroy super weapon (on yavin lookalike) and have 15minutes to do it, hero mentor killed by Dark lord as hero looks on, pilot flies down trench and blows it up, heroes return to base to heroes welcome.

Thank god they had that great ending when Luke Skywalker turns around and says nothing.

 

I agree. This was definitely a mistake.

Spot on.

 

Here come the dislikes. Pathetic.

 

So nobody can "dislike" your post because it's "pathetic" if they do so?
You're free to dislike mine too, if it makes you feel better.

You're hyperbolic about this movie, bruv.

 

well said guys!!!!! If I could give you some credits I would (but Im really not sure what to do with them myself!!! haaa)

I think you have hit on the best points!!!! You have to let go of your feelings, your preconceived ideas that you have formulated about what it needs to be (and what the EU has said has happened and just enjoy the movie with fresh eyes. I saw ANH when it first came out in the theaters as a kid and fell in love then. Had all the toys (Still do, had I known how things would go i'd be rich if they were still in the box, lol) Things change when we grow up, the way we see things change, we are more critical.... but we have to le . that go and go watch it was you did as a child.... not worrying about plot, or what you thought it should be, or who you hoped would be in it... just breathe and enjoy it, have fun... if you don't like it, then that's fine you don't have to....your life, nor Star Wars is ruined because you don't!!!.. I for one loved the hell out of it and I am waiting for the next.

 

Yep.
We're in for a fun ride.

 

OT fan here, I really never got warm with the PT, but I understand why people can enjoy it.
I'am for fairplay, everybody has the right to like or dislike things. (critic included)
If you say you hate TFA for different reasons I'am o.k. with it, it does not ruin my enjoyment.
People should be above that, recognize and respect other opinions is not hard.
Often they have some interesting points why they like or dislike things. (I have a open ear for that, so to speak)
If I read bad things about things I like, I think alright his opinion is different than mine, no problem I move on.

 

It's the dislikes without the counter arguments I find pathetic.

I'm not hyperbolic. It's a good film. 7/10.

 

Debatable.
As an example: in a german long running poll from a big magazine it looks like this:

1. ESB
2. ROTJ
3. ANH
4. TPM
5. ROTS
6. AOTC

You see ROTJ is ranking place 2 in this poll, in the next poll from a different source it will rank place 3 or 4.
I don't agree with this poll results, but it's a good example about different tastes and opinions.

 

I think it's fair to say I spoilered or prepped myself prior to watching the movie and lowered my expectations to be on the safe side. And most definitely I didn't expect the same experience as watching ANH or ESB for the first time. That was a different era and context and we've seen so many other science fiction films in the past decades that it was impossible to recreate the situation of the late 1970's.

I expected Solo to die in this film (knowing how Ford felt about his character as far back as 1983) and have no issues how he passed away. It was sort of unexpected and rather came as a "positive" surprise. But I focused on the Kylo character and didn't feel Solo's death until Chewie's mourning.

I also liked the final lightsaber battle because it felt raw and real, that was a big improvement over the over-choreographed PT battles, IMHO. The end of the film was okay, but nothing to write home about. I couldn't help but wonder why Leia wasn't coming along, if the Resistance needed Luke so badly, wouldn't you send somebody with close ties to persuade him rather than a person unfamiliar to Luke?

I tried to blend the plot holes out and not pay too much attention to what appeared hero-buildup because of weak or incompetent antagonists but when I assumed the death of all the space pirates at Kanata's Castle it left me uncomfortably unmoved, because character exposition was so short or non-existing. I'm looking forward to the extended version of the film which will hopefully not feel that "rushed".

Like in his previous "Star Trek" film, Abrams shows or suggests the death of many, many people. Let's take a look at the destruction of Alderaan in ANH:

• First we see the planet that looks so much like our Earth so we get the idea "Hey, that could be our planet"
• Leia puts all their energy into persuading Tarkin not to destroy her home planet, we get the idea that many lives are at stake
• The destruction resonates with Ben Kenobi who feels the death of millions (!) of people

Never once, even in repeated viewings, did I not feel the astronomical tragedy of this mass murder because the scene was so well set up. In TFA it merely becomes an event to showcase what the weapon is capable of but doesn't resonate in Leia as it it did in Ben, although that would have been a perfect reminder of her Force-sensitive capabilities.

I never cared whether it's CGI or practical effects as they are and should merely be tools to help tell a good story. At the beginning there were fabulous vistas and scenery in the best tradition of all Star Wars films but following that there were none that touched my heart like the Death Star battle in ANH, the AT-AT attack on the Rebel base in ESB, the beauty of the city in the clouds, the speeder bike chase in ROJ or the Battle at Endor where there was this feeling of urgency that our heroes were running out of time rather fast.

So while many fans felt the film delivered, I can't share the enthusiasm because for me the film did not deliver in some key categories which I feel is essential for any Star Wars film, but this is - of course - entirely my personal opinion.

 

Out of curiosity, which youtubers are you talking about?

 

this should be posted in the review section.

 

Have you ever seen such a tide of fake haters on imdb?

Who is paying them?

You can think TFA is awful, but it's not Kirk Cameron's Saving Xmas.

1/10... Come on.

Either this is counter-marketing strategy or some people have real problems.

 

I don't think those reviews are fake.

 

And out of the woodwork comes the vocal minority shooting down the popular crowd pleaser of a film and ridiculing everyone who enjoyed it. Bunch of snobs who feel so self important by talking down to people only to please their ego.

Listen, I saw the film in a theatre filled with adults and kids who went completely bananas in excitement over this fairy tale of a film. No amount of online hate and derision can take that feeling away.

Snobs? Bunch of wankers really.

/rant over

 

I know the reviews aren't fake.... but these are people that actually went to see Star Wars on the opening week-end (fans mostly do that)... and most of them give the movie some 1/10?

1/10?!?!

Many of them first time reviewer on IMDB...
Registered on IMDB and wrote their critic the same day the movie has been released?

I sense something very wrong with this.
I feel like a radio-controlled hate machine is going on and I am not sure I am friends with the people behind it.

Call me paranoid.

 

Part of the reason it is hard for us to accept that the people who didn't like TFA are being (insert hate filled comment here) is that I haven't met one person who watched the film who said they didn't enjoy it (in real life not the interwebs). Even my wife, who HATES Star Wars and thinks I'm stupid for liking it so much really enjoyed the movie.

The main argument used by TFA haters is "We let you hate on the PT let us hate on TFA" is a crazy one. We have hated on PT well before TFA was out and our reasons haven't changed. "If George Lucas made TFA everyone would be bashing it" also very crazy. George made the OT and started this whole world and we don't bash the OT!

Most of the hate seems to be directed at JJ and the fact that Lucas isn't around. Things out of ALL OUR control. There was parts of the movie that I didn't like (those damn CGI aliens and the unknown bounty hunters/gangs) and I have no problem with people also not liking parts or the movie for that matter. What is annoying is when people say that "it was made for stupid people and you have to be stupid to like it" or "it felt too much like the OT". The PT was mirrored to the OT as well and GL has said that it was intentional. Someone saying that I will hate the movie after I let it sink in is also a slap to someone's face. I'm pretty sure I know what I like and those kind of comments aren't going to change anything.

For me....I won't attack those who hate TFA even though I don't agree with them. I also have no problem with debating it. But I'm pretty sure those who didn't enjoy it are in the vast majority, so start acting a little more like it. You can easily say "I didn't enjoy TFA and here is why:" w/o saying that others who did are (add demeaning comment here).

Sorry that my response got a little out of hand.