SPECULATION Lightsaber Crystals

Mmmm...
I really do love these conversations–

I've always been a two-blade/Jar'Kai kid, myself.
...and wouldn't "Orange & Green" look downright juicy in that combination(?)

 

Nice idea. This was the best I could find, not quite orange but close enough.

 

Ah! Yes- Yellow/Green looks good...

Though I should've said "dual-wield" like Ahsoka ...or Betty White. (Though I couldn't find an orange/ green combination.)

 

Not bad, Betty White is one with the light.

 

I wonder if lightsabers existed when the Sith were founded and who constructed the first red lightsaber and when.

 

Canon is vague:

Though it is unknown when the first lightsaber was created, it is known they were in use thousands of years before the age of the Republic, in the Great Scourge of Malachor. They were also used in the Battles of Rashfond and the Peacekeeping of Parliock.

Legends is not:

The Forcesaber was a precursor created by the Rakata, which would eventually evolve into the lightsaber. Users were able to channel the dark side of the Force through black laboratory-grown crystals which would create the glowing energy blades.

The first lightsabers came into being when the precursor Je'daii Order combined advanced offworld technology with a forging ritual, learning how to "freeze" a laser beam. The earliest known functional lightsaber was the First Blade, built on Tython prior to the Force Wars by an unknown Je'daii Master known only as the Weapon Master.

"A lightsaber is an interesting weapon. A blade unique in the history of warfare. A paradox, not unlike the Jedi who wield it: those peaceful warriors, who kill in the service of life. Have you ever noticed? The blade is round. It has no edge. But it is a lightsaber—which means it is nothing but edge. There is no part of this blade that does not cut. Curious, yes? Symbolic, one might say."―Vergere

"According to the holocrons, the earliest lightsabers were crude devices that utilized an experimental "frozen blaster" technology to create an energy beam of fixed length."―Tionne Solusar

"…these archaic lightsabers were barely portable; their energy requirements necessitated a flexible cable that connected a lightsaber's handle to a power pack worn on a Jedi's belt."―Tionne Solusar

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It seems the Dark Lords of the Sith Empire were ultimately responsible for the advancement of lightsabers, replacing the belt-mounted power pack with a power cell within the hilt. An internal superconductor was introduced, which transferred the returning looped energy from the negative-charged flux aperture back into an internal power cell. With this modification, the power cell would only expend power when the energy loop was broken, such as when the lightsaber cut something, solving the power supply problem. According to the Tedryn Holocron, the Sith also created the schematics for the first double-bladed lightsabers.

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Wielders of these original modern lightsabers include Karness Muur, a Dark Jedi who had wielded an archaic lightsaber, but later switched to a curve-hilted modern lightsaber. The Sith crew of the Omen were also equipped with modern lightsabers.

(The answer to your question)
Muur also appears to have been one of the Sith Lords to establish the tradition of wielding lightsabers with synthetic lightsaber crystals, which was maintained until its resurgence in 3653 BBY. However, this tradition was disregarded by Exar Kun during his reign, as he and his followers opted instead to continue using their Jedi lightsabers in combat, though at least one follower used a lightsaber with a red crystal. However, this tradition was reestablished by the Sith acolyte Haazen and the Dark Lords Revan and Malak. After Revan and Malak, the tradition continued to be observed by virtually every noteworthy Sith Lord.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber/Legends

 

I kinda hate the new explanation. Why didn't anakin's sabers turn red when killing the Tusken Raiders? Are the kyber crystals sentient or filled with midiclorians now? How else do they bleed, and choose people?

Lightsabers are now mood detectors? Shouldn't any force sensitive be able to get the crystals? How do the crystals know that specific religion of the user? Ashoka is just as good, she just left the faith.

Couldn't a company melt the ice to harvest the clear crystals?

Bah Humbug, I'm old.

Pretty good write up. Hues are additive but emissive light works differently. Maybe the opposite would work best for lightsabers.

Primary colors are Red, Green, and Blue. The three primary lightsaber colors.

Green + red = yellow. Hrm, this doesn't fit very well.

Blue + red= purple. Yeah, fits with mace Windu.

White is a combination of all colors, a full spectrum.

I'm just rambling about at this point.

That was a character in the NJO books. lightsabers everywhere. Prolly had a hell of a time wiping. Lord Nyax. http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net...rd_Nyax.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090521184317

 

As for the way the color works, the impression I get is that the color is decided at the time the crystal is imbued with the force during construction of the lightsaber. Therefore, it isn't so much an ever changing force spectrum detector, but rather a reflection of where the force user was at the time they constructed their lightsaber.

Hence the reason that Anakin's lightsaber stayed the same color regardless of where he was at in the force spectrum, as well as who wielded it. After all, as soon as Like built his own, the color changed to green. Also of note is Ahsoka's two lightsabers in TCW. The first is a more traditional green blade, however her second one that was built later had a slightly different hue, more yellowish, indicating a slight difference in her connection to the force at the time it was built.

As for her white sabers, it is implied that the color had something to do with the fact that she purified crystals that had previously been corrupted by a dark side user, which is something that would be a pretty rare event I would think.

 

@Admiral Petty

Perhaps Tano purified the crystals that once belonged to Ventress.

 

Considering that darksiders have to corrupt the crystal, one would assume that the first darksiders split off from the first lightsiders. So now it depends one or more of three things: whether the Jedi were the first lightsiders, the Jedi were the first to construct lightsabers, and the Sith split off from the Jedi Order.

 

"Once we were brothers in The Force, but from the Hundred-Year Darkness were born the Sith." - Star Wars #9

"A rogue Jedi Knight had founded the Sith, a singular dissident in an order of harmonious followers, a rebel who understood from the beginning that the real power of the Force lay not in the light, but in the dark. Failing to gain approval for his beliefs from the Council, he had broken with the order, departing with his knowledge and his skills, swearing in secret that he could bring down those who had dismissed him.

He was alone at first, but others from the Jedi order who believed as he did and who had followed him in his study of the dark side soon came over." - TPM novelization

 

Considering how the Force has always seemed to want to be in balance, for one to exist, the other must exist as well. Just like yin and yang, there must be both good and evil. Even if we see the world where good must always triumph, there will always be a conflict until peace may be met in the middle. How that peace has to be met still has to be determined. Yoda spoke of another. How that will come into play is still to be determined. Since the OT we always assumed he spoke of Leia, but now with our extensive knowledge of the Force, he could have been talking about Rey, Ben, or even Snoke himself. In the end, someone will have to sacrifice their being to bring peace to the galaxy forever. If Darth Vader can turn, this proves even he knows the Force will always re-balance. Maybe Luke also had to face his dark side too. This is the image that has always come to mind when we talk about a balance in the Force:

 

The other did refer to Leia. This is definitive.

 

He spoke to Obi-Wan that there was another hope. Obi-Wan was present at the birth of both twins. Don't you find it odd Yoda would tell something to him if he already knew that as a possibility many years in advance? It only seems natural to question this.

 

Obi-Wan says that boy - Luke, is our last hope. Yoda reminds Obi-Wan that they can still train Leia should they need to. This means that Obi-Wan had more faith in Luke than Leia.

 

I agree, but I am saying it's so loose that there is potential for there to be some re-writing in the ST to where it still fits to the storyline and still makes sense. We still have 2 more movies to go and the options are there to change some aspects, albeit very little.

 

If they were mood rings, then that could have at least explained why Luke's light saber is either blue, white, or green in ANH depending on which version you are viewing...

 

Thank you. Lightsabers are only mood rings when they're being constructed. Interestingly, Lucas considered havijg Anakin's saber turn red in ROTS, but decided against lightsabers being mood rings after they're constructed.