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Looking Back, What was overhyped?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by theborgv, Dec 19, 2015.

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    Snoke, Hux, Phasma, Poe Dameron, the kid from GoT, the sword master from Got, Maz Kanata, Luke Skywalker, lol.
     
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    Phasma and kylo ren those two characters were the biggest disappointments.
     
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    The way they hyped Gwendoline Christie's character,, I was surprise she had such little screentime. She was on every talk show and talked about how much depth this character had so I was really hoping for something more then your routine stormtrooper. Maybe they cut her scenes out when editing the movie, and she will get a few deleted scenes but I was really let down cause I'm a big fan of Christie.
     
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    Starkiller Base. How many years did it take them to excavate the freaking planet and built a gigantic hyperspace weapon inside it, only to be destroyed by a few well-placed explosives and blaster shots from x-wings because the shield control panel was lightly guarded.

    What if the planet rotates away from the target?
     
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    Phasma was a joke.
     
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    For me it was Luke. All the buzz about Luke doing this and Luke doing that not to mention the universal ''Luke is Kylo Ren'' that everybody was talking about EVERYWHERE you talked about TFA. There was so much hype about finally seeing Luke after so long, his new powers, his green lightsaber his roll as a wise Jedi Master and all we got was nothing more than a few seconds of Luke looking constipated and staring like a zombie.
     
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    I remember all the stinking ''Luke is Kylo Ren'' thing. Even after JJ said it clearly that Kylo was a completely new character fans still kept on and on with him being Luke until they were proven wrong in TFA. I can't wait till the ST proves that Snoke is a totally new character as well cause no matter how many times JJ Abrams has said it, many fans still argue he's Dath Plagueis.

    On who I think was overhyped I have to go with both Luke and Phasma.
     
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    i respectfully disagree. This idea of TFA luke being X/Y/Z was never over-hyped by lucasfilm or disney in any of the marketing. It was fans.

    He barely featured in marketing, all the proper rumours suggested he was in one scene. It was people going WAY over the top with their theories that created "kylo luke" and that was basically a reaction to "luke is not in the movie".

    Disney/LFL can't be held responsible for "head canon".
     
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    But then you would have to say the same about every other character and this post would be meaningless my friend. Look at all the characters that every single poster here has mentioned. When was Phasma overhyped? How about Hux or Kylo Ren? Did you ever see Starkiller Base be overhyped? All of those choices were overhyped by the fans as non of those were ever overhyped by Lucasfilm or Disney. I respect that you may choose to disagree with me but in order to do that fairly you would also have to disagree with every other person who posted here as well because TFA was really guarded in order to give SW fans a huge surprise when the movie came out and every theory about everything was fan hype.
     
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    the post you responded to by theborgv talks about media overhype. Phasma was overhyped with trailers, interviews and marketing. Luke was not marketed at all, ALL this the hype came from fans based on zero marketing evidence.
     
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    Phasma was barely shown in the trailers my friend. If she was hardly in the movie how can you say that she was overhyped in the trailers? Interviews and marketing? Where did you see that? Can you post a link or anything to back that up? Gwendoline Christie knew she had just a few lines of dialogue in the movie and she did nothing more than be eye candy so why would she say anything about her character that could hype the fans? If you provide evidence I will gladly take it back.
     
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    because she was all over the marketing! she was in interviews, she had magazine coverage, she was in the trailers, how much was luke marketed as a character compared to phasma/hux/kylo etc etc?

    you say "all the buzz" it was all fan buzz, not marketing buzz. I agree that fans overhyped luke to a ridiculous extent, but it was based on nothing. that is "head canon" not marketing hype as theborgv mentioned.
     
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    How could Luke be overhyped if he wasn't on the Main Poster, he wasn't featured in the trailers other then his hand touching R2, and never did any interviews during the promotional tour with the cast?

    In a sense, Disney was being honest and it was there in plain sight: Luke won't be in much of this movie. Unlike Lucas who plastered Suited Vader in every trailer, every promotional spot for Episode 3, and then he is in it for the last 5 minutes of the movie.
     
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    Oh I like that line. It's really true. There's a lot of weird stuff from the EU-Head-Canon too that is terrible but we pick and choose that stuff and it affects how we look at the new films. "Luke is Kylo" literally comes straight from Dark Empire number what-ever. "So-and-so is a clone" comes from the Zahn trilogy. "Rey has to be a Skywalker" is from the E.U. where nearly every single Skywalker/Solo goes to the dark side (and we want everything to be original lololol).

    I'd really hoped the fandom had moved past bringing so much head-canon-baggage into the theater since TPM but obviously not.

    But you're right, we can't be upset at what we ourselves created in our head-canon.
     
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    Omg, all I see from your posts recently-mod edit: language. Luke wasn't hyped at all. Wasn't in the marketing, wasnt in the trailers (except for a very small glimpse in trailer 2), he isn't on ANY of the official posters, in fact Mark Hamill still haven't given an interview about his role, we don't even know his voice in the ST...
    LFL wanted to make it crystal clear that he isn't in the movie much. If fans still couldn't understand it, its solely their fault.
    Plus, all the valid-ish leaks confirmed that he has only one scene in the movie. We knew it (or at least assumed) months before the release...
     
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    That's just messed up and insulting man. People like you are the ones who make others want to stay away from the Cantina. If you don't know how to talk to adults without insults then shut up and move on. I'm going to report you to the moderators cause this just has to stop.
     
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    OK. Do as you wish.
     
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    Alright enough with this: 1. please address the post and not the poster.
    2. @all, check your ratings, negatives should not be given lightly, try to communicate if you have some strong feelings about the topic.
     
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    Even though Luke Skywalker wasn't shown much in the trailers, just a voiceover and him cloaked touching R2-D2, there was, for me, some sort of reverse overhyping, along the lines of emphasis through deemphasis, where just a hint of Skywalker was, again for me, enough to raise expectations and inner hype to the point of great expectation of seeing him once again on screen and learning his place and role in this new chapter.

    I've now transferred this inner hype (largely of my own making, as I care deeply about his character) to Episode VIII, and I'm almost certain this time my anticipation will meet with satisfaction in that upcoming chapter.

    I do also have high hopes for Snoke becoming more developed and necessarily ominous in the next film. His underwhelmingness in VII will likely be compensated for in VIII, at least that is my hope.

    Beyond that, I must concur that Phasma was somewhat of a lost opportunity. That said, personally I'd rather see more precious minutes be invested in central characters instead of there being any forced and unnecessary further development of Phasma.

    One thing I learned from Rogue One trailers is that I will not formulate great expectations on scenes which might not even make the final cut of the film.

    On that quick tangent: I still believe that epic shot of the TIE fighter rising before Jyn Erso should have remained in the final film because it was that compelling to and fresh to me, a real Star Wars-style David vs. Goliath scene hence redacted for (what I felt was) a spurious reason (i.e. vague similarity to the shot involving Baze vs. the AT-ACT).

    But, this is Star Wars, and the hype and resulting overhyping is now somewhat of a tradition, which I do still mostly enjoy. :)
     
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    Honestly, I'd say Poe.

    Phasma was disappointing, but I wasn't expecting much of her anyway. Maybe a cool scene or two (which we admittedly didn't get) but overall I didn't expect her to be at the forefront.

    Poe, on the other hand, seemed like he'd initially be in a great deal of the movie- then he disappeared for almost the entirety of it. It's almost like if Ron would've gone AWOL for 75% of the middle of The Sorcerer's (or "Philosopher's) Stone.
     
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