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LOR SAN TEKKA, Grandfather of Rey

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Amalgam, Dec 22, 2015.

  1. Amalgam

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    I have a new theory that I'm really leaning on for Rey's lineage.

    In this theory my basis is that Rey's father is Luke Skywalker. I have many feelings for why this is the case, & such has been demonstrated across the forums & across the internet so I don't feel I need to rehash. For this theory, I am operating on the assumption that Rey is Luke's daughter.

    This theory is RIFE with spoilers, so reader beware!

    This leaves almost as many questions as it answers, however.

    If Luke is her father, why not protect her? Why leave her? Why doesn't she remember him? Why don't Leia or Han know her? Where is her mother? Who is her mother?

    1. Luke left Rey on Jakku much the same way as he was left on Tatooine. To protect her from those who would want to harm her, capture her, or turn her to the Dark Side like Kylo Ren.

    2. In doing this, Luke wiped her memory using an advanced form of the Jedi Mind Trick & the Mind Reading that Kylo Ren employs. He did this to protect her identity as well as her obviously destructive memory of the Jedi Academy Massacre, which I believe she was present.

    3. Rey was NOT left alone on Jakku as many suggest.

    4. As anyone who had their ears perked while watching TFA would know, Obi-Wan Kenobi speaks to Rey as she grasps Luke Skywalker's lightsaber. Why would this be the first time Obi-Wan spoke to her? I don't believe it is. Much as Luke Skywalker was guarded by Kenobi on Tatooine from afar, Rey was guarded & guided by Kenobi from the beyond, from WITHIN the Force.

    5. In addition to Kenobi's ghost, & possibly Yoda's (the clip was deleted, but he spoke to her as well allegedly) I believe Rey had another guardian on Jakku. Someone physically closer. Someone in Kelvin ridge, right around the bend from Niima Outpost, & from Rey's own AT-AT. Someone with a history, an "old soldier", a knowledge of the Force & membership in the Church of the Force, someone who knew the Skywalkers closely, close enough to be the protector of THE map leading directly to Luke Skywalker, the only one with such information..

    6... Lor San Tekka, Rey's grandfather. This answers 2 fundamental questions: Why was she left alone? (She wasn't? & 3. Who was Rey's mother? & answers a 3rd if you really want it (Who was Lor San Tekka?)

    7. My theory finalizes in that Rey's mother isn't shown & doesn't need to be shown. She was the daughter of Lor San Tekka, also a member of the Church of the Force, therefore had a connection with Luke that could translate into romance, as well as a reason for her non-existence in the story...

    8.... She's dead. She was killed during the Jedi Academy Massacre by Kylo & the Knights of Ren. It would make PERFECT sense that the Church of the Force members would assist Luke in his formation of the new Jedi Academy. It also makes perfect sense in that it explains why Kylo Ren knows Lor San Tekka.

    9. Finally it compounds on why Luke went into exile. He not only felt extreme grief in that he failed his Padawans (he wasn't present at the massacre to stop it & save his wife & students, hence why in the novelization of TFA when he clutches R2 in Rey's vision he drops to his knees first, in grief, similar to Yoda feeling the loss of the Jedi in Order 66) but he also lost his wife in the process.

    10. Rey's lineage is explained. Her presence on Jakku explained. Luke's exile explained. Rey's mother's status explained. Kylo & Tekka's relationship explained. Tekka's status on Jakku explained.

    Let me know what you think please! & Rate 5 stars & LIKE this post if you find it interesting as well!

    May the Force be with you.
     
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    Is there cannon support for this?
     
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    All data I used that wasn't pure speculation is canon.
     
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    For a few of those points... namely:
    - Obi-Wan does call Rey's name during the Force vision. "Rey.... these are the/your first steps"
    - Kelvin Ridge wasn't too far from Rey/Niima outpost ("Rumor has it an attack squadron of theirs destroyed a sacred village right close to here, over near Kelvin Ravine.” Rey, TFA novelizaiont).
    - Lor San Tekka had "knowledge of the Force" (though he was not Force Sensitive), and was involved with the "Church of the Force." He had been a galactic explorer, who assisted in the reconstruction of the Republic. Through both these aspects of his life, he would have come to know Luke, Leia, and their family (Ben Solo).
    - The movie makes it very clear that Lor San Tekka and Ben Solo have met before.
    - The Visual Dictionary says of Tekka that "Ready to retire after decades of exploration and adventure, the spiritual San Tekka has settled with a colony of villagers in the remote Kelvin Ravine on the frontier world of Jakku."

    I don't know about Lor San Tekka being Rey's grandfather, but I can certainly understand the possibility that he went to Jakku as a favour to Luke... watching over Rey from a distance and also being given the piece of the map, so that if the time came, Tekka could have helped her find Luke.
    Honestly, why would a renowned adventurer settle on a scrapheap like Jakku without some good reason? He could have lived out the remainder of his days in peace within Republic space.
     
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    If you're right about this, why would Rey have been living alone in an abandoned and wrecked AT-AT instead of in the village with Lor San Tekka?
     
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    To keep her in the dark about who she is and keep her from putting herself in danger.
     
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    Why didn't Obi-Wan raise Luke?

    By keeping Lor San Tekka at a distance, it makes it harder for anyone to draw a solid conclusion on her origin... and keeps her safer from anyone who would find her through Lor. Just imagine how things would have played out if Kylo found Tekka on Jakku with Rey.
     
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    Tekka discovered the piece of the map, it says so in the opening crawl. Luke did not give it to him before leaving.

    I like this theory. There is certainly a reason that Tekka is on the same planet as Rey. They could be connected somehow.

    And perhaps this is why Kylo is instantly intrigued/furious when he finds out that Finn was with a girl escaping with BB-8 in the Falcon.
     
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    Yes, but Obi-Wan left Luke in the hands of Owen and Beru to take care of him. It seems rather cruel to leave Rey on her own. Of course, some explanation could be given, depending on how the details of the story are filled in. But I'm hoping it will be an explanation that won't make Lor San Tekka and/or Luke look strangely cruel...
     
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    Perhaps this is the wrong thread, and I apologize if it is, I just didn't see any Lor San Tekka centered posts in the spoilers section, but...

    Correct me if wrong, but in the beginning when Poe and Lor meet, he states something about being there on behalf of General Leia, to which Lor replied something like "She'll always be royalty to me." Would he somehow be tied to Alderaan then?

    Not sure if that really would hold any relevance to who he or Rey's mother was, at least in this discussion, but just thought it was an interesting thing. Small chance it could explain why she would be put under his indirect supervision without being related to him, if that's the case.
     
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    Lor san tekka talked a lot about the force from get go so yeah.. what you are saying is that he could be her grand father from the MOTHER side right?
    that could work. But my theory is that Kylo and Rey are brother and sister.. too many things point to that direction and the luke thing is the blood connection / skywalker lineage they both share. they both have a part of Darkness and light in them . Vader/Annakin was conflicted even when on the dark side. I am all for the mind wipe theory.. but not by Luke.. by Kylo himself ( seems pretty confident in his skills in that domain ) he even mind wiped Han and lea or let them think that she was dead..
    think about it. parallels in SW... Luke almost killed is father Vader out of RAGE when he FEARED for his SISTER. same motivations, same elements, different combination that sounds closer to the Skywalker lineage. SW 7/8/9 is about light and dark between two new skywalkers, brother and sister. keep it simple ;)
     
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    Aryn Crynn already responded in the way I had planned.

    I do really like this theory & believe there are many ways to explain Rey's apparent loneliness. Another explanation could be that she ran away & Lor San Tekka was simply too old to find her. There are a lot of possibilities.

    All just speculation though! Thanks for the critique.
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    I don't see them being siblings, primarily because Han & Leia obviously would recognize their daughter, &&& have no reason to leave her on Jakku in the first place.

    I am saying that Lor San Tekka is her grandfather on her mother's side, & that her mother is dead at the time of TFA.
     
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    Tekka was clearly an influential figure, and I'm guessing he established the village on Jakku. Maybe he was a target of the First Order/Knights of Ren and so wanted to keep his followers safe on a backwater planet.
     
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    I think the large quantity of main story figures that appear on Jakku is simply way too coincidental for it to be coincidence. Jakku is a "junkyard".
     
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    unless they ve been force mind wiped, or believed their daughter was dead... maybe they agreed to forget about their daughter to make sure Snoke never find her? hey that could work..
    Lor San tekka can still be a protective figure we didnt found the true identity yet
     
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    This theory puts a lot of knowledge on Kylo (meaning, he knew Rey and wiped his parents minds about her). In the movie, especially when in discourse with Snoke, he seems most often surprised by her, un-aware of her...ect... I like your theory, it just SEEMS to me that he knows less than the theory suggests. Of course this is just the way it seems. A lot of the speculation we can muster is from the expressions and actions of character interactions that may give insight as to their peticular knowledge of each other and respective back stories.

    As to the O.P: I really like the speculation that Rey is grand daughter to Lor. This flows within the same river of "fealings" produced within me while watching/re-watching The Force Awakens. :)

    Love the theory.
     
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    I definitely feel that Lor San Tekka is too important to be done with in the story! I also felt that Rey was SO strong in the Force that her lineage had to come from 2 different lines of Force users.

    Also, in the novelization, it is made clear that both Kylo &&& Snoke know who Rey is. When Luke's saber flies past him into her hands he yells "It is you!", & when he is interrogating her she notes that "he knows me better than I know myself." Finally, Snoke at the end of the novel says to Hux "Bring me Kylo Ren, he was right about the girl." something along those lines.
     
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    Oh nice! I haven't finished the novel yet! cool. :) I will do so before I speculate further. haha

    Not going to lie though. I love the theory of Rey being Luke's daughter so your post makes a lot of sense and is very welcomed theory.
     
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    Thanks man. I personally feel that we need a main character, of the new 4, who is a Skywalker in NAME. That's the whole point of the saga. I think that whereas Kylo represents the Dark Side of the Skywalkers, Rey represents the Light, & a large part of the story will be about the difference, the duality of the two sides.

    When you're finishing the novel pay attention to another special detail: When Kylo is tempted by the Light, he pushes towards the Dark. When Rey is tempted by the Dark, she pushes towards the Light.

    I really think that they will be characterized as two sides to the Skywalker coin.
     
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    "This will begin to make things right..."~Lor San Tekka. I have no idea of why San Tekka was on Jakku, but we do know that he was trusted with information that would lead to Skywalker's whereabouts. We also know that for whatever reason, he was had knowledge of the Force, and was on Jakku, not far from Rey. We also know that he specifically knew the history of Kylo Ren, and knew Ren's true identity and family. That's what we know. I personally like the idea of San Tekka being Luke's appointed guardian watching over Rey. It will probably come out later that this is the case. Great post.
     
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