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Luke and his connection to The Force in The Last Jedi

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Jerec, Jul 3, 2017.

  1. Jerec

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    Hey everyone!

    First, please let me apologize if this theory has been posted before. I’ve tried searching and didn’t find anything similar, but if this has been already discussed, please disregard this post.

    I’ve been thinking about what Mark Hamill said regarding how he was surprised by how Rian Johnson perceived Luke in Ep. VIII and I would like to share this theory with you.

    Let me begin by asking this: How would you describe Luke’s ambition to become a Jedi in the OT?

    I would answer this by saying he was hungry. He had a hunger to become a Jedi and learn about the ways of The Force. He tried to learn more and more as soon as he could and he always questioned Yoda about the many aspects of his training. Yoda even had to ask Luke to clear his mind of questions and also called him reckless (albeit, that was before he officially began to train him). I would even dare say that he pushed his training further by himself between Ep. V and VI, as we see him use techniques I’m pretty sure Yoda wouldn’t have taught him (Force Choke, which also raised this question, how did he learn that? He didn’t see Vader use it as far as I know, so I’m guessing Luke found a way to acquire new powers on his own, probably by letting his emotion get the better of him).

    With that being said, I feel Luke was (in the OT) very emotional and Mark Hamill was aware of this. So what could have changed for him to be surprised by what Rian Johnson has in store for us? Here’s my theory: Luke, purposefully, cut his connection to The Force. Luke, for whatever reason, which I hope will be revealed in Ep. VIII, chose that he had enough and perhaps sought the first Jedi temple to understand more about the living and cosmic force, in order to find a way to completely shut himself from it.

    That would explain why Luke:
    will ask Rey: Who are you? As we now know, those are his first words in the upcoming film. I think a Jedi Master with a full connection to The Force would have felt the arrival of old friends and the presence of a new force sensitive individual, especially one with the level of affinity Rey has. Perhaps the link Luke had with The Force has been transferred to Rey as a result of this?

    Luke’s arc in Ep. VIII could be him finding faith once more and try to regain his connection.

    Sorry for the long post, but I’m curious to get your feedback on this. What do you think?
     
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    What I love about Luke as a Jedi is that he wasn't sheltered by the Jedi Order as opposed to his Father,(I'm pretty vocal for disliking the Jedi Order from my own study of Both the EU and the New Canon) and was allowed to grow as an individual by being a rugged tatooine farmer until his early adulthood and that he is a truly honorable and compassionate person. He clearly IMHO was always inclined to believe anger and attachments are not always bad (which should be a duh imo), in summary, I obvious think the SW galaxy would be better with no new Jedi Order, but a new group of Grey Jedi (yes I know Pablo and the gang don't like that phrase and no I don't care). which the Guardians of The Whills and the Bendu mirror in their philosophy. DISCLAIMER: please don't hate me for these opinions,i know their unpopular on The Cantina, I think you raise important questions and I'm glad, we could discuss them.
     
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    @Jerec

    Allegedly there is a scene with Luke standing on a rock that is floating in mid air on Ach To...I guess if it's a real scene and if it happens early on in the movie, it might contradict the idea that Luke has cut himself off from The Force... but this is all speculation, I could absolutely be wrong
     
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    We have no idea what kind of Jedi Luke became. A lot of theories and speculation seem to be based on the EU Luke. All we really have to go on is Luke from the OT (reckless, impatient and swerving dangerously close to the darkside) and that he was training new Jedi before the betrayal by (we presume) Ben Solo.

    The surprise could be that Luke is not going to be the wise, warrior-monk, saviour of the GFFA that we (and the protagonists) all expect him to be. Prior to TFA there was a rumour that his exile had him guarding something (still possible) but more interestingly that he had gone a little bit off the rails. A powerful, but unhinged Luke would be an awesome twist IMHO (not necessary dark, but just a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic)
     
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    I think he hasn't yet found what he was seeking. A month or so back when the big news was his compass there was talk of Rian borrowing from Raiders of the Lost Arc. Some speculation was that perhaps he was searching in the wrong spot. And Rey is able to shift things. Perhaps this is why he is disillusioned with the Jedi and how it gets restored.
     
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    My predictions/what I expect to be true based upon what we've heard thus far:

    1. He's very powerful in some way. There might be reason to doubt the reliability of this idea if ONLY the heroes thought of Luke this way. But Snoke appears to fear him, too.

    2. He has some major (metaphorical) skeletons in his closet, but nothing morally monstrous.

    3. His relationship with Rey will be rocky in some way.

    4. He and Rey will eventually get along well enough that there's at least a father-daughter-like dynamic going on.

    5. He'll get his mojo back at some point - Fisher King trope.

    6. They'll find some plausible way to keep him from deus ex machina'ing the plot.

    It will be interesting to see how much actual screen time the Luke-Rey relationship gets, especially if most of it isn't training (which RJ has implied, though who knows...).
     
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    I think Luke went there to get away because he is too powerful in the Force.
     
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    There was really never any on screen proof that Luke was "Powerful" in the Force. I never thought him stronger in the Force than Anakin's potential. I am curious to see where they take him the next film.
     
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    I think GL said Luke would become the greatest Jedi ever or something though obviously that statement no longer applies!

    It's as if the Skywalkers grow stronger with each new generation :p It's kinda amusing, really. They seem to warp the destiny of the galaxy enough as it is!
     
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    Your "lost" comment got me wondering. Maybe the lost first Jedi Temple is actually on Jakku, and Rey can lead him there? Or maybe the answers he seeks are within Rey herself, rather than any physical location. (shrug shoulders emoji)

    Just a thought.
     
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    Palpatine and possibly Snoke sought to use the Force to bend the universe to their will. Perhaps Luke discovered he was able to do that so went to Ach-too to hide away and prevent himself from doing so...Maybe he manipulated the time line by accident causing the fall of Kylo and he went to hide so he would be less likely to do so again.

    If your very thoughts can change the world around you and your not evil, you may try and prevent yourself from causing more harm. Just a thought. I doubt they would go this deep.

    Perhaps Luke sends Rey back in time to the Jedi Academy to confront KOR and Kylo Ren? That could be her vision?
     
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    Yes this is why I'm so curious to explore the Era before the Skywalker's, I'm curious to know what the Galaxy was like in the New Canon's timeline before the prequels (aka the Skywalkers) was it better or worse?
     
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    Well there were no know Sith so not sure what Jedi would have been busy doing.
     
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    Breakin' heads, kicken' arse, and chewing bubblegum.

    And they ran outta bubble gum reaaaallll quick ;)
     
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    I got the impression from conversations here and snippets of lore that the Jedi were busy as the Senate representatives in various matters. Anakin talks a lot about aggressive negotiations. Even before the Clone War there ways the Hyperspace War. Which I haven't read much about but suggests that the Trade Federation attempting to control Naboo was the first time hostile powers worked to control strategic choke points in space.
     
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    I personally think that Luke has changed his perception on good and evil involving the force. I think after everything that he has experienced and heard of (his father killing younglings and becoming Darth Vader, Kylo turning and killing everyone), Luke has realized that the way the Jedi taught the force is not getting the job done. Luke is going to realize that a true Jedi understands both sides of the force, and can control themselves from the darkness, but does not ignore it either. I think that is why Rey is going to be so important, because regardless of who you think her parents are (I believe there is no way she is a Skywalker), Luke sees the potential for her to harness both sides of the force. I think that is why Mark Hamill is so shocked, is because Luke isn't going to be this goody goody Jedi that we are used to. He's going to be a semi-dark side wielding bad ass, almost like a grey Jedi, though I don't think that term is considered canon anymore (maybe for this exact reason?).
     
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    I think PH has poo-poo'd the idea of "grey Jedi."

    What's wierd to me is that, as far as we know from the OT, Luke wasn't really trained in the Jedi Code. What he became struck me as the essence of what a Jedi should be...
     
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    I feel like Pablo has simply dismissed the actual term "Grey Jedi", maybe that is me misunderstanding. To me, it doesn't mean something like it exists (take Ahsoka for example, she clearly is not a Sith, and is not a Jedi, so she must be something else, correct?)

    And though Luke was not explicitly trained in the Jedi Code, I feel like it is safe to assume that both Yoda and Obi-Wan, who were both big supports of the code, would have embedded all of that in his training.
     
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    If they did they did an awful job of it, considering Luke running off to save his friends and to try to redeem his father...
     
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    I always just took that as Luke having a lot of his father in him. Since Anakin would have done the same thing, and he was definitely trained in that way
     
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