Luke and his connection to The Force in The Last Jedi

Well, it displays a compassion, love, attachment, and hope that seemed not to have worked very well with the PT-era Jedi Code.

I forget if it was PH who said this, but someone at LFL said something to the effect that they thought Luke truely became a Jedi when he threw away his saber and refused to kill his father.

 

I actually tend to agree with you about a lot of this. I maybe don't have such distain for the Jedi Order that you may have, but I understand nonetheless. I do think this route of Luke becoming a "Grey Jedi" or whatever they want to call it now makes the most sense. I will argue however with saying that Luke wasn't sheltered by the Jedi Order. I mean yeah, he wasn't trained on it to the extent that Anakin was, but he was trained by Yoda and Obi-Wan, two of the biggest proponents to the Jedi Order. So, I think that he has learned over the past few years that what he was taught, and what he tried to teach Ben Solo, just isn't working out very well for the galaxy.

 

Don't forget the bit from Oscar Isaac in Vanity fair. It seems to indicate that Luke will have a very strong connection with the Force.

I also heard Hamill say that for him the most surprising thing was a Luke that went from being eager in the OT to what he is now. This implies that Luke must be reluctant to engage with the wider galaxy.

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/star-wars-the-last-jedi-cover-portfolio

Oscar Isaac, at 38 the senior member of the core cast’s “new kids” (Driver is 33, and Ridley and Boyega are in their mid-20s), is old enough to remember as a child revering Luke Skywalker. “So to be there, and to watch Mark revisit Luke, particularly in these scenes we were shooting towards the end of the film, was bizarre and jaw-dropping,” he told me. “It’s like when you see an old band re-unite and go on the road, and they don’t quite hit those high notes anymore—though in this situation it’s completely the opposite. It’s the fulfillment of where your imagination would take you when you imagine where Luke would go, or what he’s become.”

 

She separated from the order because felt they were not living up to their own ideals. Meaning her integrity could not allow her to stay. I think there is a case that she is right. That makes her more light side than the Jedi.

The problem is people defined grey jedi as morally and choice of powers between the Jedi and Sith they even have a "code" made up based on the Jedi code from KOTOR. The problem is these grey Jedi are simply anti-heroes who dabble in evil. Many people are trying suggest that balance scorns both sides of the force so grey is an apt ideal. This goes against what Lucas said about balance and changes the good verses evil battle of the first 6 films.

If there are no Jedi there is no Star Wars. Not just will the future films lose "that Star Wars feel" but it will break the OT to smithereens. 6 movies looked forward to Luke declaring himself a Jedi. If Jedi are no longer the noble and good guardians that Obi-Wan spoke of then they will retcon the heart of OT out.

 

Jedi, to be Jedi is to follow the light side of the force. You cannot be "Grey Jedi". If you are "Grey" you are not a Jedi, you are something else. If your a Jedi and begin to use the dark side of the force you are no longer a Jedi.

You CAN be a force user and use light and dark but to be Jedi you use the light exclusively. It fails. Living beings cannot stay permanently in the light. It might drive you mad trying to do so.

 

Yea, that is the idea that I gathered too. As Obi Wan said, they were the peacekeepers. I would imagine a lot was exactly as we say Qui Gon and Obi in TPM heading to handle the trade dispute. I can see the Senate sending them to worlds to handle board disputes, etc. Even though "The Approaching Storm" book itself is legends, Mace in AOTC referenced Obi Wan and his padawan returning from Ansion after settling a border dispute.

 

That's definitely a good point. I guess it just seems to me that Luke is feeling similar to how Ahsoka was, so wouldn't he separate from the order as well? Either way I don't necessarily see the Jedi going away, I just think Luke is going to either 1) create a new code for his Jedi Order, giving some more flexibility than was given before, or 2) is going to discover that the first Jedi, that supposedly began where he has been hiding for all these years, had this different code that he had been looking for.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Luke is just so emotionally destroyed after what Kylo Ren did, that he has basically denounced the Jedi, and wants nothing to do with it. It is going to take Rey begging him to train her, and maybe some other difficult moments that is going to force him to pick up that rusty old lightsaber, and kick ass once more as the Jedi we all know and love.

 

I'll honestly be EXTREMELY surprised if Kylo's betrayal is the only thing that's depressing Luke.

I'm sure Luke has legit stuff to feel guilty about, and not just with regards to his nephew.

Luke being MIA for what appears to be the majority of the past 30 years probably has something to do with it. There's definitely important stuff that's being held back.

 

Well I think Luke has already shown were he will deviate from the rules when needed in ESB. And in ROTJ it is in refusing to kill Vader that he marks himself now a Jedi.

 

sorry for the misunderstanding I said Luke was NOT sheltered but Anakin was. Luke never really agreed with Yoda on everything from my point of view, while still respecting and admiring him (just like in real life) and your right the don't have to say the term "Grey Jedi" but its definitely that by any other name. BTW When I say the Jedi Order I really mean before the purge.