Luke gets smashed by the KOR

I like that theory.

 

Nice theory, but I don't think so. I still think Luke is in seclusion on his own and Kylo wants to find him. There is a line from the Kylo toy that says "Together, we will destroy the Resistance and the last Jedi." I don't think this is just for the toy, and I think he is talking to Rey about Luke. This doesn't make sense to me if they have Luke captive. It also makes Luke a little too weak if all of his pupils were killed AND he has been held captive all these years. It makes more sense to me that Luke is strategically in hiding, similar to Ben and Yoda, until the Force brings Rey to him.

 

that is a very nice theory. So, how do our people find him?

What if Lor San Tekka is actually handing Poe the clue, he hides it inside BB-8 and from there is goes?

Poe and Kylo also get pretty close and snuggly in a very evil, torture kinda way and I am not above theorizing that Poe actually not only spills his secrets, but also sees some of Kylo's

 

Especially if you have a very obnoxious prisoner who just refuses to relent and you need something to break him.

As I said, nice theory.

Though maybe they aren't actually after the lightsaber and the lightsaber is nothing but a red herring. Maybe they are after the information that Lor San Tekka gave Poe and that now BB-8 has: Where is Luke? What happen to him? Where does the FO hold him.

They wouldn't be hunting something, they would try to catch something before the Resistance gets hold of it.
I mean... how exactly DOES Kylo know that Vader didn't explode with the deathstar, but was given a Jedi ceremony on Endor?

 

But how would "Even you have never faced such a test" refer to Luke (is that what you're meaning?)? Luke's been captured, imprisoned, emotionally tortured, had to confront his own father, had to resist killing him, had to beat Palpatine's craftiness. I can't see there being anymore "such a test" for Luke. Luke already passed all the tests in RotJ. This is how he's a Jedi now. He passed the tests.

I think Snoke here is probably referring to Rey- she'll be the one caught in the middle, being tested, trying to decide which "father" is right; which to follow: Luke or Snoke. (not biological fathers, but literary fathers, like in Master and Commander, the young boy was in the care of two 'fathers' the captain and the doctor, and his conflict was over which to follow.)

But it could be Luke is captive; I'm just not feeling it.

 

I love this. Love this. And it makes perfect sense.

Mark's beard for one, and his hair during production were far longer and messier than they were during the shot of him in Jedi robes that leaked, which suggests two states we will see Luke in; one groomed and dignified, and one wild and unkempt, suggestive of a hermit or prisoner.

Moving forward, that is to me, 100% Luke's scream, it has the same timber and quality from Mark in the OT, it sounds very much like his "No!" in ESB in a way, just without the words, if that makes sense. And the chains are there for a reason, that is NO accident. JJ loves this kind of stuff.

Again, it is NOT a random event that there is a low, barely audible mix of chains and screaming, right after that line, and that the scream resembles Luke's voice quality.

I think the KOR take Luke, and his big reveal is going to be on STARKILLER, as a prisoner. He escapes into the woods in the chaos of the base taking heavy damage, Snoke escapes, and Luke shows up, weak and weary but still capable to stop Kylo! Then, they take the falcon to a place that Luke knows will be safe, an old Jedi refuge to begin to rebuild.

Also, I think what sets Rey off, is during Maz's flashback, she finds out that Luke never came back for her because he was taken, and Han and Leia have never known where.

 

It's possible Kylo & crew smoke-check Luke's new Jedi followers but Luke escapes. That could explain the dead bodies laying around the KoR & Kylo in some ads-trailers.
Luke being the "reluctant" hero in the climax or 3rd act rings true.

Luke being a monk or wanting to avoid the constant war or combat makes sense too. How many battles can he fight? How many people can he kill?
A flashback scene or dream scene might explain this in TFA.


TFM

 

Hm, I listened again and do not think that is Luke's voice/scream at all. Doesn't sound like Hamill to me in any way. What it does sound like is the rage-scream Sidious did right before he went into battle against Windu's posse.

 

If Luke's on the Starkiller, this also may up the stakes for Han and particularly Leia, giving her some moral quandaries in using the Resistance's super weapon (Is she just doing it, sacrificing so much, for her brother?, etc.)

Really interesting theory.

 

I think Luke is chilling in a Hutt-Owned bar watching Twi'leks dance IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN." .

 

I think Snoke is referencing Kylo taking on Luke, or his Jedi academy or both. Like a warning, challenge and test for Kylo and his KoR to see if they are worthy.

Who knows?!?!?! Lots of mystery still with a couple weeks out. Have not been thi excited since 1983.

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That is not fanboy craziness. That is just pure evil and wrong in every way.

Geroge Lucas is on record as saying Luke Skywalker is the most powerful Jedi ever. The dude took down Vader, and he made the Emperor fear for his life enough to try to turn him. It would be completely illogical for the KOR to be able to touch Luke in his physical prime with more years of training, given how far he came with just three. And it is a giant insult to Luke Skywalker's legacy to even suggest that the KOR would be able to withstand his Force power, just to start.

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And just how do you explain Luke's hand on R2, not looking a bit threatened? That is cetainly in the flashback.

Luke could be away for so many other reasons. Just like Snoke saying "You have never faced such a test" and "It is time" could easily be him speaking to Snoke in the present as the First Order is on the hunt to find and kill Luke Skywalker. The different tone in his voice? That could just be because the character's voice changes tone.

What you have done is try to read a hell of a lot more into some details than is reasonable in order to project your own "fanboy" paradise plot as some sort of definitive truth about the movie. That, and emasculate the character who is the core of Star Wars in so many ways.

You deserve to ride some serious Force Lightning, man.

 

Whatever they do with Snoke I hope it is clear and thought out and makes sense on the big screen. Hopefully we can avoid debates like why Palpatine/Sidious face changes or his voice changes.

Disclaimer: I am not a prequel or Lucas hater.

 

I don't think Luke will be superhuman, he will be the strongest jedi, but we saw in episode III the the jedi are not invincible, they got killed by stormtrooper, and yes, they took them by surprise, but still they killed them with blasters, no force powers, no super-reflexes.
I think that the Knights of Ren could be able to capture and even kill him, depending on how strong and how many they are, they will be for sure weaker than him, but if they are at least 6-7, and have an army they can beat Luke.
It would be even cooler if he actually surrounds to them to save his padowan (maybe he had one before TFA? ) or the jedi academy he started (obviously IF he started an academy xD ), I mean there are so many ways to make the KOR capture Luke without diminishing his strenght and powers.

 

If Plagueis = Snoke, then I love the idea of Luke slowly breaking over time.... under his glare. Plagueis is the only force user strong enough to tie the entire saga together, anyone else, and the ST risks being as disjointed as the PT. OT cast or not.