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Luke Skywalker,our hero ,forever.

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by McDiarmid, Apr 28, 2018.

  1. McDiarmid

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    Luke can only stay our hero if we ignore this KK/JJ/Rian fanfiction trilogy completely. :(
     
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    People might not understand it, but directors don't make movies for an audience. They make movies for themselves. This is the difference between a good and a bad director. Everyone can please fans by giving what they want, but not everyone can tell a good story. I'm not saying Rian was successful with that (he actually wasn't), but it was the right decision not to listen to the fans. You can't even listen to the fans because everyone wants a different movie.

    I like TLJ Luke more than the OT Luke (and that Luke was already one of my most favorite Star Wars characters).
     
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    He actually was. :p

    Coming back to the actual topic - fandoms are not homogenous. General movie audiences are even less. I'm not even even talking about demographics like gender, age, race, nationality, etc. People's tastes differ just because each one of us is different. How do you make a film that appeals to everyone? Usually, if you try doing so, you end up satisfying no one, because your film is bland, generic and uninspired, like Geostorm or The Mummy. The goal of a filmmaker is to make what they consider to be the best film possible. If they do so, their film will always find an audience, sooner or later. And if they try to appeal to the masses in every way possible, they'll fail because masses aren't uniform.
     
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    However note Star Wars are not noir academic films made to get Oscars (proved) or Cannes , Nica or Berlin festival accolades.
    Also those who made SW films should note this are not films to please professinal critics or film accademy professors, but small people.

    One must have below average IQ or in case of mr Johnson and LSL unrealistic perception of the role of the films they are making , to be able to do what they did with episode VIII, and think they are doing it right, and even neglect obvious backlash.

    This are commercial films,market products, for making money.
    The preprequisite is of course to please public because this brings public to theater.
    And fans are their main target custommers, milking cows, we admitt it.

    They kill the cow, or more precisely in this case said to cows...we dont like you to eat grass you like, we will give you our polithical paroles so eat this paroles instead food ...?:confused:

    For whom are they making the film? For critics who never invested their childhoods in Star Wars?
     
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    You're not convinced by Rian Johnson? Fine. Here's another director who said exactly the same thing. All of his films (but one) are critically praised, have huge fanbases and made quite a lot of box office money. Not only that, he's also directed a sequel to an established franchise and now he's finishing touches on another sequel. Ladies and gentlemen, let's make some noise more BRAD BIIIIIIIRD (crowd screaming in the background)!!!!

    The frangment of interview in question starts at about 35:50:
    https://www.pixarpost.com/2018/04/incredibles-2-interview-with-brad-bird.html
     
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    Rian Johnson made the movie he wanted to make, not Disney and not the fans. That's my point. A good director has his/her visions and goals. Yes, movie making is a business, but if you are a director or storyteller with passion, then you won't care about that. You just want to tell the story which you want to tell, regardless what others think. If the movie is good everyone with love you for your passion. If it's bad, then not... This is what happened to Rian Johnson.
     
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    Or the film needs to time to be reevaluated and be praised, like with Vertigo, Psycho, It's a Wonderful Life, Big Lebowski, O Brother, Where Art Thou? etc.
     
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    Johnson is not Geroge Lucas .He stands on Lucas' shoulders. All of them.

    They are workers that work on bulding that have foundations that was established by original colossus, Lucas. He is one that created it, and created foundamental rules of Star Wars, they should develop it, not act they can make what Lucas made.

    I find ultimate ego and complex in fact of him , anyone of them, comparing to Lucas.

    If only they could copy Lucas in everything, though..
     
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    I mean, Lucas did undeniably have a huge influence on cinema, but as a director Johnson is better. All directors that worked on Star Wars are better than George Lucas.
     
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    "LUKE SKYWALKER,OUR HERO ,FOREVER."

    Yeah, exactly. That's what the film was about, in fact.
     
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    Pawek_13
    I know this will be unpopular but I do not speak with people like you after this yours last post.
    It was nice to meet you.You offended mr. George Lucas whom I love ,praise or care above everything and who has given us this fictional Universe.

    Its like you offended J.R .R.Tolkien in some Lord of The Rings (Middle Earth) forum.


    EDIT- if this_13 in yours nick means you are 13 years old I am sorry kid, but I have no time to explain to you George Lucas , but note , even if you will try this will probaly stay one of the greatest misconceptions you ever say or wrote in your life ever, and I wish you a long and happy one wothout such things from my heart.

    I found and pressed button ignore , bye.
     
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    In my oopinion the most important task of a director is to... direct actors and George's direction at its best was unobtrusive (A New Hope) and in the worst cases made good actors give bad performances (Natalie Portman in the Prequels.) He even said that his favourite part of making a film is editing. Don't get me wrong, George Lucas is the reason why we're here, but as a director he's... meh.
     
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    they didnt ruin Luke Skywalker and he was a Hero at the end Renewed The Jedi and gave the Resistance a chance to fight another day

     
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    I believe there is an argument to be made for the idea that the writer and the director should really be two different people. When George was the writer and Irvin Kershner was the director of ESB, it was a recipe for great success. The ultimate purist in me kind of wishes that George Lucas had been retained by Lucasfilm as the official writer of the Sequel Trilogy with JJ and Rian only directing their respective movies. I really would have loved to see George Lucas's version of old Luke on the big screen. :)
     
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    Luke our hero forever. Agree.

    And TLJ made him a legend, the greatest jedi of all time.
     
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    YES! TLJ made Luke a much better and much more developed character than in the OT.
     
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    1) Watch American Graffiti
    2) Repent in dust and ashes
     
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    I will, eventually. Maybe even today. :D
     
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    In my observation, no movie ever became a massive success by trying to please its property’s fans. It’s the general audience that makes or breaks you - the non-fans, the people with no personal investment. That’s whose opinion truly matters.

    All they want is a well told story that engages and entertains them. That’s the director’s job: tell us a good story. Whether TLJ accomplished that is debatable, but ‘fan acceptance’ should have never been a determining factor. Fandom thinks too highly of itself and its overall significance in my estimation.
    I think you’re greatly diminishing the roles of Huyck, Katz, and Kasdan here. Lucas, by his own admission, is not a particularly good writer. He actively hates the writing process. He’s an innovator. He’s the ‘idea man’. If LFL had wanted to retain him as a ‘creative consultant’, sure. But would George have been OK with that limited level of influence over something he used to have supreme control of? I doubt it.
     
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