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SPECULATION Luke Skywalker: The Dark Knight or The Incredible Hulk?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Willybobo, Nov 6, 2014.

  1. Willybobo

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    Hi guys! Great night for speculation thanks to Jason at MSW's latest info dealing with Luke.

    Onto the question.

    We've heard of a grave robber/warlord character. TID and others believe this may be Luke, operating incognito. Ties back to the Zorro/Batman line of thinking. He can't be seen doing some of these things, so he hides his identity and does some sorta questionable acts for the larger good... Vigilante jedi justice if you will.

    But on the other side of the fence we have LUKE SMASH! A theory that has been kicked around in the past but now MSW is adding some more credence to it. Is Luke so powerful that he is a danger to himself? Is he the ultimate weapon everyone seeks to control?

    Not sure if the Batman theory holds up given the latest from MSW. If Luke's deranged and hiding, how would he also be out moonlighting as a grave robber/warlord? So maybe he's directing someone else or controlling a drone as someone just speculated... Seems hard to believe he could do either of those if he's gone mental.

    What did Luke do that scared him of his own power and lack of control? Did he accidentally kill his wife/kid/apprentice? (Or did someone else kidnap them as it would be amazing leverage to make Jedi Hulk Luke your personal weapon) Or maybe he tried to train someone, realized he didn't/couldn't properly train them, and deserted them... Leading to this long lost apprentice turning dark side and seeking revenge?

    Other curious things to note: someone recently threw out the name Darth Rage in reference to Driver's character... Believe that rumor was never debunked... Rage would seem to fit Luke's uncontrollable state more IMHO. "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry."

    End ramble.

    Please use this thread to compare and contrast the dark knight Luke and the all-powerful uncontrollable Hulk like Luke.

    P.S. I'm siding with Hulk more likely as he's a Disney/Marvel property like Luke.
     
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    I think that MSW's recent article about Luke being in hiding because of his fear of what his power has become is probably accurate. Want to know what I find most exciting about the article that wasn't said? The bad guy, the threat, whatever it is, is SO powerful that is scares this incarnation of Luke. Scares him enough to break his self exile and bring him out of retirement. The thought of an All powerful Light side user fighting an all powerful dark side user while their minions struggle on the side...... Ohhhhh baby..... I have to go do.....some...things....
     
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    Yep. Clash of the Titans indeed. But it may not be setup as an even match. If Luke is all powerful, the ancient fear evil incarnate may be more of a headgame master than a straight up powerful jedi. Something will have to differentiate Luke and the ubervillain's abilities. Otherwise it's just going to be Yoda vs. Sheev again just with more flipping and rocks falling.

    A thought: Luke is the all powerful light side user. The villain should be a cakewalk BUT the rub: the villain is somehow intertwined with Luke. He can't kill the villain without killing a part or all of himself. So he can only sit out and become Mickey/Obi-Wan to our new Rocky/Luke.

    There will have to be a reason why Luke cannot simply crush this new threat with his enormous force powers. Some sort of kryptonite effect will be at play between Luke and the villain. Either because they're linked via DNA, they're former master/apprentice, or some new force blocking thingamabob that the new baddie has (ysilimari? Sorry for that spelling.) or because they're both already dead in some way.
     
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    @Willybobo

    Your in the zone man!That fast thinking of yours,throwing out many different theories...makes me head spin..LOL
     
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    Haha. Thanks... I think. Want to really make your head spin? After reading MSW's Luke piece, a random poster stated this:

    Isn't that basically the story from Disney's Frozen? BOOOOOM!
     
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    I really like how they are taking Luke Skywalker in a direction I would choose myself :cool: Back in May I proposed that Luke Skywalker was in self-imposed exile, struggling with his power, his lineage, his brush with the Dark Side of the Force, his fear of himself...and here we are. YES!
    Now if only someone had stolen my ideas for Episode I ... :(

    EDIT:
    I found those thoughts - I started a blog about EPVII but I dropped it because I had too many other commitments.

    • Luke Skywalker basically dropped the whole Jedi schtick after Return of the Jedi. He'd taken a pretty big dose of lightning from the Emperor, he had to see his father sacrifice himself for the greater good, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda had been lying to him, and he was almost lured into the Dark Side of the Force when he did try to decapitate the Emperor with his lightsaber. What if Luke, instead of going on to build a new Jedi Academy (as the Expanded Universe suggests and which has become imbedded as "true" in many minds), leaves the spotlight to seek solitude, meditating on his life, not daring to train any Jedi (possibly including Leia) for fear of the Dark Side? What if, when Episode VII starts, he doesn't want to have anything to do with galactic politics, knowing how the Jedi failed as the Guardians of the Old Republic? Again, a more interesting dynamic. Someone has to turn him around on this. If the cantina is indeed part of the next episode, I imagine him sitting in a dark corner with a glass of blue...beer...I guess...wasting away his life in fear of doing something wrong (Mark Hamill losing weight and looking better these days is a sign they won't go with this plot line though). Anyway, a morose Luke Skywalker, dealing with his inner demons ("What if I become like my dad? What if I fail any apprentice of mine, like Obi-Wan failed my father?") would be a nice change from the standard idea of him being the übermaster of a new academy full of potential Jedi learners.
     
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    Ok, I gotta admit, this has set me back and thinking...

    I had theorized that Luke had been captured, and escaped... but what if it didn't go down that way? What would happen if Luke and the family were on a nice family outing, and suddenly they got attacked? Overwhelmed... outnumbered... he sees his wife fall...

    BOOM... Force Unleashed...

    He has another moment, like in RotJ, "Noooooo"

    When the smoke clears, the enemies are all defeated... and his wife is dead. And he realizes that she didn't die to enemy fire... she died from wounds caused by his him... in his fury... in his rage... but all his power knew how to do was destroy, he cannot bring her back...

    "Yes father, I understand now... you wanted to save her... I understand... what's that, father? There are more enemies out there? Yes father, we know how to deal with them, don't we father..."
     
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    shouldn't the last bit be "we know how to deal with them, don't we precious..."

    so ep7 is now a mix of Batman, Zorro, Hulk, Frozen and LOTR? lol
    i was hoping for star wars ;)

    in all seriousness, some interesting ideas. Whilst i'm hoping for some great moments for Luke.. i think we might be over-estimating his role in all this. will the 3 films not be driven by the 'trio of new young leads' ?
     
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    lol, that's it exactly... you want to talk about the picture of a creature driven insane? That's Gollum... and really, if that is the level of madness that Luke has come to, would we hope for anything less?

    Of course, I am given to understand Hamill does a mean Joker...

    I'm still not 100% on this either, but dammit, if they go that way, go all that way...

    Worse than that... much much worse than that... what if he did bring her back... what if, in his power, he learned the power of Plagueis and brought her back... but what if what he brought back was an abomination he can't bring himself to destory...

    What if Luke's wife is the Warlord, and Luke is keeping vigil... but she slips out every now and then...

    There is a twist none of us thought of...




    Could that be the meaning of what G@BRIELGR@Y is trying to tell us?
     
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    I'm going another route & bringing up the Steven King thriller; Carrie. ;)
    Luke may have a compelling incident or event that causes him to flip out. Much like the character; Carrie, a teen girl with ESP/powers who flares up then destroys things-kills people who anger her.
    Luke, in the EP7 first act may indeed have a "Force Unleashed" type event that makes everyone around him scared $&@% less. It MAY also be a flash-back. As I posted, there's no requirement or mandate that the entire EP7 has to be at a specific time. Years or decades may have passed between the opening & the rest of the movie.
    Leia(as supreme leader) may get smoke checked or have a major injury. Han may split up with Leia or be "retired".
    The "grave robber" could be either Luke or his apprentice(possible critically wounded in the first event then reconstructed to be a cyborg).

    It's only 11/2014 too. By 11/2015 I'm sure MANY set rumors or scenes will be fully leaked/explained.
     
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    I think the theory is that he scared even himself...
     
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    Carrie Schmarrie!! Same as the Hulk! Man, the green guy is getting no love in this thread.

    Fine, you win Carrie is a better analogy as her powers her telekinesis-based a la the force, while the Hulk is only physically strong.

    But that kills my comic book hero comparison, which makes for a catchier thread title.

    Also, another thought... it may have to involve his apprentice whether that's a human, clone of someone, or cyborg... Only because I don't think Luke (as Luke and not wearing a disguise) filmed many scenes. He's in seclusion, and he's old... Sure he lost 30 lbs. but doubtful he's seeing much physical action... Leaving the need for someone else to be running around on a quest.
     
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    We have a rumor that Luke's eyes literally burn... maybe we can start a rumor his skin is going green, which is why he is in seclusion...
     
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    Carrie was satan-fueled, no?

    Also, "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." The Hulk wrestles with this constantly. Carrie had what maybe three incidents before poof all burnt and crisp.

    My point is, Dr. Bruce Banner has lived his whole life with the struggle to keep the anger at bay lest the Hulk return. Carrie hit puberty or whatnot and went out fairly quickly. Didn't really deal with angst much.

    But the family angle works better with the Carrie analogy. Will give you that. Her mom physically and mentally abused her if I recall.

    P.S. Wait! So he's Firestarter and Carrie and the Hulk all in one! Let's work some necromancy in there for Pet Cemetary.
     
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    In this one instance I want to compare Luke to Wolverine in the X-Men movie, when he is asleep and having nightmares and Rogue comes in to see what's wrong and then he wakes up with his claws through her. I can see something similar happening when Luke is asleep and he is having nightmares and his powers are uncontrollable, accidently killing his wife who is trying to help him.
     
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    lmao!

    years without incident: 30.......29..28....0!
     
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    This conversation is getting weirder all the time. This is a legendary Star Wars character you scum are talking about, not some ordinary action hero. If JJ is trying to keep Ep 7 in a similar style to the OT I don't see Luke doing some of the things your suggesting. My opinion is that Luke is still a full good guy with no hint of Dark side in him, Why he has been missing for 15+ years I don't know. But I think the only thing that should change in Luke in those 30 years is that he is much Wiser.
     
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    yes - everyone is perhaps going a tad nutty with the Luke speculation.

    can't blame them though.. we have rumours ranging from Luke being.... good, Bad, the Ancient Evil, a Warlord, a Drone controller, Zorro, Batman and a cyborg. we simply don't know - so we have fun speculating ;)

    i actually agree with your opinion and i'm blinkering myself to the current gossip... i think we're being curve-balled.
     
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    The odds seem against us
     
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    never tell me the odds ;)
     
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