SPOILER Luke SPOILER (Also Ridley, Driver, Lupita, & MvS)

Automated Dialogue replacement. It is the process in film making of going back when a scene is finished several months later and rerecording some dialogue in the studio. Many locations, especially forests, are very hard to get good sounding recording in. So you will redo the dialogue later in a studio. The sound guy will put a beep in and the actor has to lip synch to themselves. for the PT lucas has sound iso booths on set to take the ADR right when they shot. I think shooting on film eliminates that possibility.

 

I have been thinking a lot about Luke in exile and crazy/cut off from the force/not being a jedi. Here is my thinking. Yoda and Ben saw the most horrific thing that could have ever happened. They saw the Jedi slaughtered by their own troops. Even worse they watch Vader kill the younglings at the temple. To top it off they were responsible for Anakin and he became Vader. Nothing Luke could do can be worse than that. Ben trained Anakin and he failed in a way he could never have thought. Vader killed children and Ben saw it. His best-friend, no his brother, became evil and he didn't see it coming and couldn't stop it. With all of that Yoda did not become crazy and neither did Ben. They had to go into hiding to survive.

I know the argument will be Ben and Yoda were a fully trained jedi masters and were more able to deal with the loss but I don't by that. Further, Luke knew after Empire that his father was Vader and he had to go and fight him. He also saw his father turn back from the dark and then die and that did't make him crazy. I just think Luke is able to handle loss and power. Luke understands bad things happen in life but you don't walk away when it gets tough. If he were that weak he would have turned at the end of Jedi.

Just my thoughts.

 

Regarding the recent offering from Jason at MSW:

It sounds like the event that causes Luke to believe his powers could endanger those he cares about is positive ("amazing") yet has negative potential. What was this amazing use of the force in service to? It could be something personal to Luke. Like saving someone from death. Or something that quickly gets the attention of the entire galaxy. Perhaps he does something that brings a swift (though certainly temporary to some degree) end to the conflict between the remnants of the empire and the rebellion. That temporary end to hostilities would be wearing off the longer Luke is in exile. As things are getting as bad as they were before this amazing event would be where the events of episode 7 begin. The report says Luke doesn't feel in control of this awesome power (humility is an essential trait for those with power if they wish to remain a positive force) so it must have destructive potential. Perhaps he crippled star ships and or changed a planet's surface making a ground offensive impossible. It might scare the imperial forces into retreat/ending hostilities (again - temporary to some degree) and even give pause to his allies due to this awesome display of power. Bonus points if he does this from halfway across the galaxy.

 

Last week, it was noted on the member forum how a few scenes in TESB may carry over to EP7.
Luke seeing his face in The Magic Tree, Yoda telling Obi-Wan there may be "another" hope. Leia realizing she too may have Force powers.
These 1980 scenes could still be a part of EP7 in some way.
Yoda(as a force ghost) may be a part of the action. I read set reports of Frank Oz being there for 1/2 days. Maybe it was more than a friendly visit.
Also, while I see the younger cast being in much of the film, the plot or action may center on the OT then the new characters "take over" in EP8 & EP9.
Don't think for a parsec they main bad guys or group will all be waxed either. They will carry on too.

 

I think if we alll watched some classic Kurosawa movies, Sanjuro comes to mind, we might get a peek at what "Crazy Hermit Luke" could be about. Much like Yoda in Empire. He often had characters (sword masters/samurai/ronin) that seemed less powerful or less in touch with reality then they actually were. Maybe Luke has become so powerful that he hides behind a mask of eccentricities. "This guy couldn't possibly be the Jedi that destoyed Vader and the Emporer."

 

Post #286 may have a point.
Larry Kasdian who co-wrote EP7 also did the great western Silverado & the hit film; The Bodyguard(where in the story, he brings up Kurosawa & Samurai). These are themes & elements he is known for/likes so it's HIGHLY possible EP7's Luke may be that way(or give the facade of doing it).

TFM

 

R2 and C3P0 are both based on the quarreling peasant warriors from The Hidden Fortress, where they end up helping saving a princess from... you guessed it a Hidden Fortress *AHEM*Deathstar*AHEM*

 

This might pop up on the forum elsewhere, but I just saw my Star Wars Instagram message that now states the EP7 title is.....

STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS.....

Shock!!!!....

 

Yup it did... in the Subtitle Revealed thread

 

Remember when Yoda told Luke that the Force was his ally and a powerful ally it was. Luke being the strongest in the Force, and meditating for such a long time has a relationship with the Force that no one ever has had. It has awakened, become conscious, and Luke's greatest ally. He now serves the Force, doing the will of the Force, as if he was one with the Force but still alive. The influences of the galaxy will try to tempt him to choose a side, Light or Dark. But it is his destiny to do what the Force commands of him, to keep balance.

 

Stumbled on some more interesting fodder... Pasting it below:

it would make sense that Driver is the link between the Alliance and the Empire and the Light and Dark sides. He would be Han's son and an alliance pilot/Diplomat and the secret Grave Robber who seeks power with the help of the Empire. His grave robbings and what they entail is what sets events in motion. His actions are a consequence of Luke's inaction. The main female protagonist is going to wander back and forth betwwen Light and Dark because she represents the way forward and, in the end, either the ultimate weapon Driver seeks (a baby? the next chosen one? a vessel for the Sith power?) or the weapon that destroys him and puts the Light Side in a position of strength finally bringing back peace to the Galaxy since Luke could not.

parallel Driver's arc to Boyega's. Who betrays the Empire because he does not like wars and ends up discovering he is Force sensitive after he meets Luke and has to man-up for Episode VIII.
Both Driver and Boyega would be characters whose lifes are burdened by the ongoing for 30 years conflict.

I love me some love triangles.

 

The good news about this entire thread, whether it be speculation, lies, trolls, jokes, or whatever...The movie is shaping up to be interesting and nostalgic. I think that is the most important. Star Wars is a movie series that when added to or redone is going to make some people happy and some people mad. I think all of the possible scenarios presented are amazing. Also, for all the nitpicking and claims at contradiction....we may want to look further at how the theories blend together and ...in turn... make sense a little more than some may realize.

 

I like the idea that Daisy could be an ultimate weapon. Maybe that could be what the Grave Robber is telling her in the Embrace concept art? It's what she is or going to be and there's no way she can escape it.

 

Interesting idea! Daisy being a sith chosen one. The embrace concept art feels almost like how Anakin does when he stops Mace from killing Palp's and pledges his loyalty. Could Daisy be having that moment? Is the grave robber her brother? Does she kill Luke to stop him from destroying the grave robber. She is in this similar, I can't believe what I've just done state, I guess I have to be a sith now.

If we follow the Luke is the grave robber theory then perhaps she kills Boyega or Han to save Luke and is now in the same state.

 

Luke and/or Daisy be crazy it would appear. Boyega is getting off easy in all this... His only conflict is having to run from who he is (trooper) and embrace a different fate (become a jedi) but that's no biggie compared to killing your brother/nephew/Han. So perhaps Boyega falls in love with Daisy. So we go from Space Jesus to Space Romeo & Jedi Juliet.

It could be the first time we see a pair of jedi fall in love... What with the easing up of the rules thanks to 30 years of progress. Love conquers all. Love is the Force. The Force is Love. Hallmark, I know, but this is Disney now. Could work.

Keep in mind, Lucas tends to mirror themes/life moments that he's lived through in the SW films. He is married to an African-American woman. I know the casting specs for Boyega's role were left open to any and all ethnicities, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Uncle George may have influences the decision (nothing against Boyega as he's talented as hell.) Love conquers all... Just you wait.

 

I think JB's casting as the other female black character was based on the valid criticism of the OT that few actors of color were cast in main roles. The PT had a few supporting players but no one major.
I'm not feeling "Daisy" as the chosen one BUT if she has the "warm embrace" with the unknown character in the cloak, that MAY be Luke.
Like Batman/Nolan version, in the end of TFA Luke may choose to go back underground or conceal his true identity because everyone(include Han, Leia, the Rebels, the Hutts, etc) HATE him now.
Daisy, knowing she might be a Jedi too is a Jim Gordon like character and on the surface claims to hate Luke but will secretly help him in EP8.

 

I have to disagree with it being a romeo and juliet story with a love conquer's all theme. I also don't think Lucas influenced the decision to hire Boyega. I think Boyega is just one talented dude, and won the part. I don't even think there is a Boyega love connection with Daisy's character. I think he's a good guy who changes his stripes and becomes a jedi.
Maybe an Oscar Issac Han Solo type of character wins Daisy's heart. Can you imagine the irony if Oscar win's the Falcon from Han and then dates his daughter. A pirates worse nightmare. There could be a love triangle of sorts, but if Boyega is jedi...Oscar will win her in the end;

From what we've read so far the theme is supposed to be darker, friends, families and the consequences of such relationships.

 

Playing catch up here - been busy for the past couple of days, even missed the title dropping - but has anyone already suggested that we haven't actually seen concept art featuring a cyborg yet? We just presumed we had.

 

I think people mentioned that it could be a mask. I am not sure if this is what you mean though.

 

These are the one's I consider the cyborg.

The one being confused as the cyborg is the 'Grave Robber'.
Then the one with the Revan type mask would be the 'Warlord'.