SPOILER Luke SPOILER (Also Ridley, Driver, Lupita, & MvS)

I can just imagine a cheesy TV style preview for TFA:
'Star Wars VI The Force Awakens-SOMEONE! MUST! DIE!'

 

Also, remember, even if they DO kill someone, they can still be redeemed. Even Anakin was.

 

Two quick comments

1- I favor Han or Luke dying. If Han dies, Ford is done with the series (which he pretty much wants, he wants Indiana Jones). If Luke dies then Hamill will return as a Force ghost. Because of Fords disdain of Han Solo I can definitely see them agreeing to kill off Han as part of the deal.

2- I still do not favor Driver as Han's son at all, and that goes double for Isaac. I think Isaac will be similar thematically to Han Solo, but he won't be Han's son. If there is any part of the cast I think is a Skywalker or Solo it's Gleeson, and for him I'd favor a Skywalker adopted by the Solo's. I think Driver is Imperial who does Sith/3rd Order things on the side.

 

Which begs the question: Is it irresponsible for Luke or Leia to have kids in the first instance knowing their background? People with prevalence of mental illness or biological disease in their families do make the decision at times not to have children for that reason. Here, we have potential for destruction of the galaxy. Something to maybe consider if you're going to have offspring.

 

I think the Sith artifact angle is a pretty weak narrative device. You gotta think that Sith memorabelia is difficult to find and expensive to obtain. This would not be a hobby you spend your spare time doing. Also not many people would even have knowledge of what a Sith is so a guy collecting these things wold get noticed, even if he is doing it through intermediaries. So if Adam Driver is a Solo it would be almost impossible for him to engage in this activity. And i feel like Sith artifact vendors would recognize their buyer because only the aristocracy could afford to purchase them so there would be no secret reveal that the aristocrat is the collector because the aristocrat would be the only non-Empire military character that would be able to amass and protect such a collection. Adam Driver may well be an evil Solo but i dont think he will collect Sith artifacts. I guess you could say the collector wears a mask but idk i feel like that is a lazy way of setting up a suprise and by every indication JJ has not been doing this movie the lazy way. An interesting way of including the Sith macguffin is to have an organization collect them and then they corrupt whoever tends them and or draws dark-side attention. But such an organization would have to have either significant funding or significant political influence to be able to amass a collection and im sure that wouldnt go unnoticed by Luke or the New Republic. I personally think the Sith collector is not part of the movie, but i have no sources so i could be wrong-just a gut feeling.

 

But the concept art does show someone with the burnt out Vader mask. So his "grave" has been robbed. There may not be an overarching quest of "artefacts" but there is a need for Vader's equipment perhaps.

 

LIVE FAST. DIE YOUNG.

Han should have died ages ago.

Procreation is the closest we non-force users can get to immortality... it's how we keep our name alive... our bloodline... one genes... versions of ourselves.

On one hand you can argue that's what we're on the planet for. To keep the human race going.

But on the other hand, given overpopulation, is it selfish to bring someone into the world when you know they will turn out a certain way?
(You don't know BTW... science can always be wrong... just as Luke's force visions of Driver or whomever as a cyborg are not 100% either.)

Is it selfish for a family that's just getting by, to have another 4 kids?
Is it selfish to stop life when there's a chance the child may have an "issue"?

Maybe. Maybe not.

But one thing is certain: It's undeniably human to want to have a kid, hell or high water.

 

Maybe Han is killed by... Han...

 

I mean i doubt Vader's grave has been robbed, it is fully reasonable to think that Vader had more than one suit of armor so that helmet could be an alternate from the Endor helmet. Also concept art is just that concept art. That said i think Vader's influence will be felt and maybe his mask even seen, but i dont think there would be a grave robber. Luke would make sure those remains are disposed of carefully, he isnt going to leave Vaders stuff around for other people to find.

 

Isn't the third party you just described what 'The Inquisitors' are? There was a wonderful post a few weeks ago (which mysteriously vanished) detailing The Inquisitors' role in the ST. Basically since the dawn of the force, they've been tasked with ensuring there is a balance in the force. They secretly watch over the sith/jedi conflict, sometimes playing a role and stacking the cards in favor of one side or the other. Anyway, this poster claimed we would see a flashback to the ESB Vader/Luke duel from an Inquisitor's POV. And that's how he/she/it knew where to get Luke's lightsaber later...

They may have claimed The Inquisitor's only help the Sith... I forgot.

 

If anyone watches the action film(and blockbuster hit by George Lucas & Lawrence Kasdan): Raiders of the Lost Ark, there is the French Archeologist Rene Belloq.
Driver may too be a Belloq type character, aligning himself with the main bad guys in order to seek out this artifact or object needed to channel the Force.
I've heard rumors of Driver in a fighter pilot outfit too so he MAY be a rich privileged arestocrat who along with many others is run off or ruined by the bad guys/Sith then joins up with the Rebeliion.
The Falcon, the "fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy" may roll out one last time to lead the squads in a valiant last stand.

 

I've said that several times, that is the only thing I have ever heard from a guy I consider a decent source. Has someone else mentioned it? That makes me excited and feel slightly less crazy

 

What I´ve just read is almost exact to my thoughts about E7. Bravo. I´m convinced long time that the Skywalker of this trilogy is Adam Driver. THere´s always a Skywalker. But not necesarily on the light side. And the "Empire" could be again a Republic, with its stormtroopers, with the Fleet, TIE fighters, etc.....but it could be in grey area - not purelly good...the "rebels" of this trilogy could be the pirates...and now you can´t easily say the Empire/Alliance/Republic is good or bad, the pirates are good or bad....just as it ment to be for this trilogy - not to be sure who is good and who is bad...(sorry for my bad english)
P.S.: Land called Han a pirate. There´s a pirate base in E7.....what if Han is a pirate again, with fellow comrades living or having the headquarters in this pirate´s lair?

 

Possible tie in from "Rebels" into TFA.

 

Ok, so this is all new to me, all this talk of Inquisitors and the 'who watches the watchers' scenario it suggests.

So have I got this right: the Inquisitors' role is to monitor both the Light and Dark sides of the Force and to intervene only if one side appears to be taking precedence over the other. They are like Force Police, is that it? Interesting.

So, would the Chosen One (who brings balance to the Force) be an Inquisitor? Could it be that Anakin failed in this regard by choosing the Dark Side, but that the mantle has now passed to Luke? Is Luke the ultimate Inquisitor, neither Jedi nor Sith but responsible for balancing both Light and Dark. Presumably, if this is the case, he could be called upon to quash the rise of a new Jedi Order rather than promote it? He may even be required to tackle his own family, if their powers were drawing the Force too far toward the Light?

Could this be the reason for Luke's turmoil and withdrawal: he knows that by defeating the Emperor AND turning his father he did too much. He now needs to counter that action by EITHER diminishing the Light (perhaps by tackling his own sister) or by strengthening the Darkness, maybe by deliberately leading his nephew astray?

EDIT: Furthermore, was Anakin actually fulfilling his role as Chosen One by helping to defeat the Jedi and Luke, in his innocence, messed things up?!

Too much for a SW movie? Too esoteric for the average movie-goer? I don't know, but I like the possibility.

 

While I have been told Driver will basically be an Inquisitor, the name will never actually be uttered in the film. As for the Chosen One being an Inquisitor, that would be true if the 3rd Order (Inquisitors?) weren't coming from a faulty thesis. What are you saying is exactly what they think is correct, but they misunderstand what balance in the force means. I made a thread discussing the idea in detail if you're curious but basically the imbalance comes from the Sith themselves even existing. They use and manipulate the Force against the natural order, throwing things out of balance. Sith does not mean dark side, just like Jedi does not mean light side, they are orders who have different philosophies about the Force. But the 3rd order believes that the two forces must be in balance to each other and that balances the force. It's a bit of a case of Blue and Orange morality.

 

From what I've read Inquisitors are the keepers of all things Sith.

 

Ah, I see. So the Inquisitors are a sort of superfluous, self-appointed neutral cult who believe both the Jedi and Sith should exist side-by-side, whilst in fact the Sith are an abomination. This suggests that the Inquisitors will most likely be working to rekindle the Sith flame, which brings me right back to my earlier assertion that the driving force (no pun intended) of the ST will be the location and resurrection of Plagueis with Luke seen as a vital tool toward that end.

Could it be that Luke will be (or has at some time prior to EpVII already been) manipulated into embracing the Inquisitors' point-of-view and assisting them only to then go on to realise he has made a terrible mistake?

"Wayne, you switched off your mad speculation filter! What's wrong?"
"Nothing. I'm having fun with this..."

 

Here is a mixture of what I have been told and what I believe about Driver which ties in to your theory. I am recalling some of this from a conversation I had months ago so don't call this word of God (or word of Viral which is the next best thing)

Driver was a part of this third order, his master was the one who took Luke's saber from cloud city, for a time I thought that would be Max Von Sydow but it appears I was wrong. Anyway Driver is by day a very wealthy Imperial with a lot of influence in the Imperial navy, but by night he dons a mask and goes digging around for Sith and Jedi artifacts. Becoming obsessed with the Sith and their beliefs and overthrowing his master. He is also being commanded by a mysterious dark presence in his mind, it tells him things he must do, including tracking down a young force user (Daisy Ridley). He only knows the age of this mysterious Force Sensitive, so he has been systematically hunting them down across the galaxy with his wealth and influence (think slaughter of the innocents). Boyega is one such unfortunate target, but through a series of unfortunate events Boyega escapes by the skin of his teeth and at some point, maybe during the escape or maybe not, Luke's old lightsaber ends up on the planet. During the floating hand theory I was told it was actually a lightsaber in a sealed box that is floating through space and crash lands on the planet, the reveal of the lightsaber as the box opens was going to be a big moment.

There are several who believe this mysterious force driving Driver (haha) is an ancient Sith lord. Maybe Plageuis, maybe Bane, maybe someone else. I believe he wants Ridley so he could inhabit the body of someone destined to be strong in the force. I also believe he is one of the Force(s) that "awakens"

I don't think Luke fell for their beliefs, I agree with the latest from Jason and Viral that suggests he is self-imposing an exile to protect the galaxy from himself.

 

What if somehow Driver wakes The Ancient Fear... Bane or Plageious... Then, in a twist, it is the Inquisitors who seek Luke and force (lol) him to come out of hiding. Cut to flashbacks as this Inquisitor explains their role in the Sith/Jedi conflict. That's when we see the ESB scene from a diff POV.