Luke state of mind im TLJ

I feel for Mark, like he said, they really caught lighting in a jar with the OT, literally perfection. I really hope his character isn't sold out to legitimise the ST. He better remain a Hero or I'll be pissed.

Hope both Luke and Daisy can be Heros, at niethers expense.

 

Agreed on that.

 

Obi Wan didnt say to Luke "may the force be with you" but "the force will be with you.always." He said it twice .it wasn't wishful thinking.it was a fact.he is the only one who used that phrase.and he only said it to Luke.luke will never fail! Obi wan saw his future.so don't worry about Luke .

 

JJ Abrams said something about "Who is Luke Skywalker" before the sequel trilogy was set up, and that's where the whole story births from. If they still go with this that is.

I think he is the last Jedi who will reinvent the ways of the Force for the new Jedi.

he will be saddened to learn about his dear friend for sure

 

Well I agree that "The Last Jedi?" is a major point. I will say that it has nothing to do with a murder suicide force pact. For one the force is in all living things not just jedi, sith or users. There are several in canon examples of the force outside of jedi-sith thinking. There were the Night Sisters, the prophets whose queen fell in love with Jar Jar, shaman of the whills, guardians of the whills, and I think Rogue One shows even more sects of mystics. Further even in the jedi-sith system force Sensitivity was not exclusively hereditary.

 

I think we are off on a bit of a tangent with this, and thats the way Rian Johnson and co. want it.

1. Keep in mind, they've used dialog in past trailers that ended up not being used in the film. Episode VII had the whole, "you have that power too" line by Luke. The "I Rebel" line from Rogue One. Heck, even footage was used in trailers that was cut from the final version of the film. So I'd be careful about reading too much into this.

2. As for Luke's state of mind, it would make sense for him to, at least at first, refuse to train Rey. The same happened to him. Yoda refused. HIs state of mind at the start is probably down. HIs academy destroyed by his nephew, who then murders Luke's BFF/Brother in law. Yeah, not a good place to be in.

3. IF the line is used in the film, who's to say there isn't more to it? Maybe he means the old Jedi need to end. The Jedi who were out of balance.

Either way December 15 can't come fast enough!

 

It's hard to say yet if Luke starts off in a depressed state or if he's learned a bigger view of the Force which has distanced him a bit from his previous views of the Jedi.

For example, we've heard rumors that Luke and Rey have to search for something together while on Ahch-To, so it's possible Luke doesn't actually discover the new Jedi lore until midway through the movie, and if so, then his interior position might move from depressed to renewed.

 

If I remember correctly the director himself has stated that Luke is in a dark place (or was it JJ when discussing Episode VII?).

The look on his face at the end of VII wasn't one of "Hell yeah! Someone to finally train and run off on some damn-fool idealistic crusade with!" It's a look that says the opposite. And that would certainly make sense.

As for what he's found... If he found anything, it may not be what he was looking for or he might not understand what it says/means, etc.

 

if Rian J and the story team don't have a GREAT reason for Luke staying on an Island Planet for years while his sister Leia desperately seeks him out for help, while his nephew terrorizes the galaxy just like his father and planets are destroyed, then this no longer is Luke Skywalker. this is some forced iteration of the character we know from the OT. something must have prevented Luke from leaving that planet, not just a deeper knowledge or truth of the force/jedi, and certainly not just trauma and grief. Luke woulda intervened and ATTEMPTED to help in TFA unless he couldn't. why couldn't he? that is the question we need answered. if Luke isn't in character when we get that answer, i simply don't care about this fan fiction-esque sequel story. the characters have to remain themselves and Disney forcing some off screen disaster doesn't get to change that. it needs to feel natural.

 

Well, we will find out how natural it feels come December 15. Personally I'm not going to panic in April about a film which won't be released until December. So far they have done a good job. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

I love the direction they're taking Luke. It's interesting, it's challenging like the best art and storytelling, and it appears to be taking us in a brand new direction, which is what fans claim they want until they get it.

I think people should let go of their Legends' expectations and open their minds to something different.

By the way, I always like to remind people that we all change in various ways throughout our lives. There's no such thing as one character arc. We all have ups and downs, sometimes we progress and sometimes we backslide. So I have no problem with a psychologically realistic portrayal of Luke, or any of the other OT heroes.

 

I don't think there's any intrinsic character contradiction in Luke professing that the Jedi order must come to an end. These are not necessarily the words of a cynical Luke, though he may be wisened with a cynical edge.

For example, it's entirely consistent for Luke to train Rey in the ways of the Force WHILE ALSO teaching her to be wary of the mistakes of the Jedi order, or the folly of extreme dark/light binaries like Sith/Jedi, which have proven to be unstable and put entire galaxies at risk of falling into total darkness. Personally I feel he worries that the existence of Jedi necessarily summons a darkside counterpoint, like a particle/anti-particle duality, and that the risk of Sith-like orders is too great. In other words, he may preach a more balanced path, a more nuanced and complex order.

 

Well, SW has already shown us how characters can change radically before. Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader and then back again is the most stark example. But even Han as a selfish scoundrel who becomes a selfless hero because of love and friendship.

Writers like Alice Munro in The Progress of Love have shown how people can often become their opposite over time. It really depends on what people go through -- love or trauma are transformative forces.

I don't think Luke has changed in terms of yearning to do what's right. I think he may have just changed his view of what right is in this situation. We'll see!

 

I love this, and it's something which I had thought of in the past but not recently. I especially agree with the whole idea of the fanbase (a portion of it at least) having a set of expectations based on the Legends stories.

Luke might be heroic, but he's not flawless and he has fears just like the rest of us. It would be silly for him NOT to be afraid to start up the Jedi Order again, ESPECIALLY after the last academy he tried to create was destroyed by his own nephew.