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Luke's Force Choke.

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by Andrew Waples, Jul 8, 2018.

  1. Daft Ada

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    That completely contradicts everything the films tell us. It also contradicts everything we know about anger.
     
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    Luke was a grey Jedi they mastered both sides of the force but chose to stay on the light side so he could use dark side powers when ever he wanted but rarely did for fear of getting corrupted by them.
     
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    With a Beatles-esque hair-do, to boot! All-hail the Beatles mop-head! ;)

    Also, the clothes were intentional to mimic Vader at the start of ROTJ, if memory is correct from The Making of Return of the Jedi.

    He is living with the possibility that his teachers have lied to him about the nature of his parentage.

    But Luke's reaction later on is still cool- he's mildly upset with Yoda (with knowing something that he acknowledged to himself as true in Empire- (Vader: Luke. Luke: Father! Vader: Son, come with me.)) and even less upset with Obi-Wan over lying to him. So, there's no reason for Luke to turn arrogant/dismissive (turn punk) on account of this.

    It also doesn't make sense on account of how badly his butt was kicked on account of arrogance in TESB to act with even more arrogance and with less prudence in ROTJ.

    The only thing battle-weary about Luke is his fear, and maybe stoicism (repressing emotions)? Which doesn't line up with Luke still being cheery at the end of Empire (he cracks a smile at Chewbacca's reply).
     
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    I think Anakin in The Clone Wars (animated) show used force choke often. Well off course he did have a little bit of anger, impatience, and cloudiness in him. But yeah, you have a point, force chocking isn’t typically used by jedi. But i think anakin used it a bit in CW. :)
     
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    Something to keep in mind is that this scene is supposed to be reminiscent of when Luke and Old Ben were entering Mos Eisley. Remember Old Ben's words: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum, and villainy." Clearly Old Ben was wrong. Jabba's Palace is 10x more wretched than Mos Eisley ever was. But what happened when Ben and Luke went into the cantina? Luke was assaulted. True, Ben tried to de-escalate the situation at first but eventually was forced to cut the arm off the assailant after Luke was tossed away.

    So, in Return of the Jedi, Luke enters a brand new "hive of scum and villainy." This time, however, when Luke is confronted by an enemy, he can hold his own without Ben. I think that's what's being illustrated here more than anything else. While it could be argued that the guards didn't actually assault Luke, Luke wouldn't have even need to have come there in the first place if Jabba had simply complied with his terms. The idea here is that Luke is appealing to Jabba in a manner he considers to be "Jedi-like." Jedi are guardians of peace, yes, but peace and justice. So, yeah, he may have choked the guards, but at that point the peace offering had been rejected. Jabba had basically robbed Luke of his droids too, rather than even send them back. So his guards were actively impeding a Jedi Knight on a mission of justice.

    Anyway, that's the way I've looked at it. I've more to say here:

     
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    I agree with your point. That is what the OT excells at; connecting earlier movies of the OT to the older ones. Doing this, it helps develop Luke, Lei, and Han.
     
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    I see this as Luke actually trying to be non violent. I know, he chokes some people, so there is violence. But, two guards cross axes in front of you, what do you do? Lightsaber? Maybe. Force push? Maybe. Both could seriously injure or kill them. Stop someone from breathing for even two seconds and they will back off. This could have been Luke's least harmful option. Mind trick would most likely have been the very least harmful, but there could have been a language gap. Not sure what language the Gamorreans speak/understand. Luke seems to at least understand Huttese since Threepio doesn't translate for Jabba, but Luke is never shown speaking another language.
     
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    That is a really good point. He could of sliced them up like Anakin did to the Separtist leaders, but he chocked them in a graceful way if you will. As a Jedi Knight, I feel that Luke handled this encounter well and somewhat elegantly in a way.
     
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    I need to reply to my own post. Lightsaber wasn't an option, R2-D2 had it. I'm guessing Luke came unarmed on purpose, he didn't bring a blaster. I think he could have. Leia came with Chewie carrying a thermal detonator and some kind of staff/weapon and wasn't prevented from entering. Force choke could have been his only play in that scenario.
     
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    That’s always been how I read that moment anyhow.

    It’s hugely problematic these days, but back in the ‘80s the use of the ‘chokehold’ as a non-lethal tactic was treated as something like an ‘off button’. It’s incredibly irresponsible, but that was the prevailing attitude in pop media at the time. It's one step removed from the old 'judo chop' to the neck.

    That’s the intent I feel is being communicated with that scene. Luke is "non-violently" eliminating a threat before the situation can escalate.
     
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    Yeah, 100%
     
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