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Luke's Gnostic Testament

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by McDiarmid, May 14, 2017.

  1. McDiarmid

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    Who wa she? Some old stories even say a Daughter of Palpatine, or Emperor's hand.

    Or is she someone else....?

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    Luke fell in love.

    She became his secret wife, or lover.

    It was a seed of Luke's faliure to rebuild Jedi order as he himself broke a Jedi law .

    When this his secret was discovered he was despised and his authority shaken .

    It ended in a dissaster, morally weakened leaderless new Jedi order fell under the pressure of Dark side.

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    And because of all of this, Luke began to understand Jedi should end, as the restrictions Jedi order impose is also their main weakness.

    His own father, Anakin, became a force of destruction of the Jedi order, bacuse of forbidden love.

    For this he was also a traitor for some.

    First Jedi Temple had an answer, for Love should add to power and balance of the Force , not destroy it.

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    Name Rey is derived from the Greek goddess Rhea.

    Rhea was daughter of the earth goddess Gaia and the sky god Uranus.

    Uranus other description name was- Father Sky ..(*walker*)

    As such, Rey is daughter of two Force sensitive (godlike)people with opposite traits. One was originaly dark sided mother, other is light sided father, that have been united in Love.


    Rhea,Rey, mother of gods, queen of titans.

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    Luke: Now reach out. – what do you see?’

    Rey : ‘Light, Darkness, a balance.’

    Luke : ‘It is so much bigger ´


    I whish this was the story of our new Star Wars.https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....es-gnostic-testament.12046/page-2#post-374910
     
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    That is interesting. I have drifted from Skywalker daughter as a possibility but that's interesting.
     
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    We are searching about some twist that will happen.

    In case Luke had a love of his life, that could result with terrible consequences, and I find this to be analogy with his own fathers' destiny. This love also resulted with saving-grace on its own, and this will be the birth of a child that will save them all.

    There are other threads, like thread about Poe, which prove strong analogies with the original and prequel trilogy SW movies.

    Anakin's love for Padme became his doom, and Padme's love for Anakin was her doom to, but their Love found justiffication trough their child, which was Luke..(and Lea)

    Now what if Luke will find that Force has given him blessing with his own child, which he maybe even didn't know lives, just like his father didn't know he was alive?

    Also, my research found some analogies with old Greek mythology, and probabaly most astonishing was the link I found between name Rey and Rhea.
     
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    My biggest concern with Luke being her father is that it leaves such an incredible story in the past.

    Also I considered the Maz conversation with Rey ruling out most family connections.
     
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    Only explanation for this contradictions will be terrible tragedy that happened, one that separated them in physical and mental way (which happened to Anakin/Vader and his own children to).

    About Maz: Rey heard the call of Lukes' saber, and than had a visions that include Luke's life . Strange to me that a saber that is not of her family will act in such way on her?

    watch this I found:

    In this part of a Maz Kanata basement vision, Rey sees herself in a defining moment for her father Luke, on Bespin. She sees herself, but we know it was Luke, let us asume he is her father. And it was just before the moment Luke found Vader is his father!

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    Than, in this next vision we see her pressed by Knights of Ren in a defining fight, but we can presume it is maybe not Ray also, but someone else. We see its a place of slaughter of large battle , but it is clear Rey was not in such large battle in her age and never will be, but someone imporant did, and had its last stand.

    Could this be her mother?

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    Rey was left on Jakku for one single reason, to be masked, hide.

    Jakku planet core has concentration of the Force, we know that now from the latest Canon novel: Empire's End. There says that planet Jakku itself has a spark of life , concentration of the Force in its planet core, like it is a live planet not just a rock in the space.

    Rey could be less detectable as a local disturbance of the Force on Jakku by a long distance predator , Snoke, because entire Jakku is in fact a big desturbance of the Force.

    We know Snoke influenced Ben when been a fetus in Lea, he detected him and influenced him. He would certainly discover Rey within galaxy to.

    But, he didn't.

    People who left her on Jakku knew there is a Force sensitive predator in the Galaxy that is searching for Force sensitive promissing children to influence them. Leaving the child on that big Force disturbance Jakku , despite harsh life she would have there,was the only way to hide her from Snoke.

    And, how many people in the Galaxy could be that "tuned" to knew such things are happening?
    We know from novel Lea did know this happened to her own child Ben. She told this to Han that she later discovered Snoke was influencing Ben from the begining. She discovered it.

    I believe Lea , and Luke are now in the game in here, they must have had their part in leaving Rey on Jakku to protect her from Snoke's influence. Even if Rey is not Skywalker I believe only Luke and Lea had "competence" to understand this circumstances and arrange this.

    But we have another possible clue..Snoke was picking Skywalkers, why would Rey be hide from him if she was not the prime possible target , a Skywalker?

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    But if Palpatine created Anakin and Anakin created Luke and Luke created Rey, wouldn't that make Palpatines daughter Anakin's sister? So Luke married his Aunt and had Rey? I guess that fits! :eek::D It is Star Wars.

    Seriously though. The galaxy "is so much bigger" than having to mate Luke and Palpatine's off screen daughter. I don't want BIG important characters that we've never seen to just pop up out of nowhere just to add drama and extend a bloodline.
     
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    I do not know of theory Palpaine created Anakin? There was theory that Plagueis did it ,but, now it is clear all this is abandoned by Story Department, since we see both Jedi and Sith were seen as narrow minded.

    Palpatine used Anakin to help him in its cause,. believeing that the true nature of the Force is its Dark Side and it should rule.

    Just as Jedi thought Light Side of the Force is right and should Rule.

    Which in fact means, nobody knew the true nature of the Force.

    I am so excited we will find what the Force's ture nature really is, and how in fact did happened the Schism into Dark and Light side followers.

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    Palpatine eludes to creating Anakin in Revenge of the Sith. He states that Plagueis used the force to manipulate the midichlorians to create life. He gives Anakin a look at them moment he says "life". He also stated that Plagueis taught his apprentice (Palpatine) everything he knew.
     
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    It is haevily hinted at the end Revenge of the Sith, and almost confirmed in other materials that Palpatine, despite his enormus power in other fields, never mananged to repeat his master's (Plagueis) acheivement of creating new Life or cheating death by the use of Dark side of the Force .
     
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    In he original rots script Palpatine tells Anakin he created him. Lucas dropped it as it felt uneeccessary and perhaps too similar to the ESB reveal. Lucas left the issue open to the audience:

    Was Anakin created by the Sith or the Force itself through the midichlorians?
     
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    I think they stay with immaculate Force conception.
     
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    I am glad it will be like that. Force should stay mysterious to some extent and in fact story about manipulation with midichlorians to create life was, well, about midichlorians.

    And we know midichlorians (together with Jar- Jar) unnecessary compromised otherwise perfect Lucas's life acheivement.

    Couldn't Jedi ( and Sith) over countles millenia develop other tests to find how strong is Force is with someone, not a....blood test.
    Because of blood test I think he invented midichlorians..:(
     
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    Why did the Jedi KNOW Luke would be powerful like his father?
     
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    I wonder if the Force always runs in families or if it skips generations? It would suck if your older sister had the Force and it skipped you and then your kid brother had the Force too. I'd be packing my bags for Jakku! :p
     
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    There is a lot here to think about, and it seems pretty solid at first glance.

    1. We know the story group is mining the "Legends" for ideas. No doubt about that. But they are not going to adopt anything wholesale. So...
    2. Could they take Mara Jade and simply change her a bit? Maybe she isn't Palpatine's daughter, but simply force sensitive and someone he "adopted" and then trained in the dark side?
    3. There is a reason they've TOTALLY ignored Luke in all of the new books so far. Heck, even Bloodlines brushes over Luke as "traveling the galaxy" with Ben Solo. What else happened during all of those years?
    4. Who is Rey? The first actual trailer for the Force Awakens, the opening dialogue sounds like Maz and Rey. "Who are you?" "I'm no one." Well, obviously we know Rey is not "NO ONE."
    5. What if Rey is the daughter Luke did not know existed?
    6. What does Man know? She was suspicious and seemed to want Rey to take Luke's lightsaber. Did she feel something or was it more.
    7. Another question, one that you mention, is the nature of the force. What is the nature? WHY must it be dark and light, a binary. I think we are gonna find out we didn't really know what we thought we knew.

    All of this strikes me as things J.J. and Lawrence Kasdan could have been questioning, discussing, etc. on those walks we've heard about.
     
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    Ya know, good point! Qui-gon scanned annikin, why didn't anyone scan the twins? Seems like pertinent information.
     
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    Because we are luminous beings also, not just crude matter. There are connections by the will of the Force above genes(or midichlorians). We always forget Force has its own will also.

    We could argue Lukes genes give him power, but also there is spiritual link of the parents and their children in a dimension above, in which, in fact Force resides. Spiritual bloodline.

    We can almost touch the proof of this in this fact: Luke is as strong as his father was, in fact he defeated him at the end.
    But, luke has just 50% genes of his father.


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    It may well skip a sibling or two but the point is that Luke and Leia were presumed to be powerful. This presumption can only be based on genetics. Thus the midichlorians have always been in Star Wars. People just got confused by what they were in TPM and thought they were the Force itself or something. They're not. They're just the means to communicate with it. You still have to "believe" and "trust in the Force".

    Indeed. Qui Gon didn't know about Anakin of course, but Yoda and Kenobi did know who the twins father was - and thus knew that they would genetically be strong with the Force.


    You cannot pass on spiritual awareness. This is something you learn. When we meet Luke in ANH he doesn't know the Force. But he has a powerful Force potential - because of who his father is...because of his genes. Ergo, Midichlorians have always existed and people need to not be so hung up on it. They don't impact at all on what Yoda says. Midichlorians only explain why some people are naturally more connected to the Force than others. But one still has to train, believe, have faith and understand that they are with the Force and the Force is with them...
     
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    We should presume Force sensitive persons are born trughout the Galaxy by chance (actually by the will of the Force, and for anyone except initiated the will of the higher entity is ofted perceived as chance ,or coincidence). For instance Obi-Wan, I don't know but let us assume he didn't had so powerfull mother and father , but he became one of the most powerfull Jedi that ever lived.

    Now, in the case of Skywalkers we have a direct act of the Will of the Force for Anakin to be born, immaculate conception. That should be more than enough for every Jedi , or the Sith, to know he and his lineage have a special purpose by the Will of the Force. Though it was not guaranteed that Anakin's children would become powerfull in Force to, by the clearly manifested act of Will of the Force in creation of Anakin, it was certainly to be suspected entire is "bloodline" will be extraordinary by the will of the Force to be so, again in a ways and dimension that are far more above the matter, genes, midichlorians.

    Lucas sunk to much into matter in his prequel trilogy . I am, personally, sorry because of that, and happy Story department seems to decided to follow original path of The Force which is a mystery.
     
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