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Luke's Hubris

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Adam812, Jul 21, 2018.

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    I noticed something in my recent viewing of TLJ. During Luke's second lesson he speaks of the Jedi's legacy of failure due to their hubris. He then refers to his own hubris. When Rey brings up the fact that Luke saw good in Vader and saved him, Luke states that this made him a legend. He goes on to say that it was in is hubris that he thought he could train Ben.
    So it occurred to be me that Luke fell from grace because his legendary status made him prideful. The reason he is tempted to kill Ben is because he feared him messing up everything he accomplished. Had Luke been less prideful, he could have avoided this detrimental temptation.
    So this added another layer to Luke's character arc for me.
    Anybody have other insights on Luke's arc in the ST?
     
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    I disagree. Luke just freaked out when he saw the darkness in his nephew and the damage it could cause, that was all. He was only "tempted" to kill Kylo for a second, and that had more to do with the darkness itself than Kylo. Realizing that he was was about to destroy his nephew along with the darkness in him was what made Luke stop. I don't think for a second that he would consider killing a person (never mind his own nephew, the closest thing to a son he had) because of pride.
     
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    I think he just got all cocky because he dodged the Aftermath Trilogy bullet.
     
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    Good points. I find it funny that people complain about his brief temptation to kill Kylo and then complain that Luke didn't go out fighting and killing.
     
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    I don’t think Luke is saying that his hubris is what causes him to contemplate killing Ben. It was just a fleeting moment of poor judgement. Luke is saying that it was his hubris that caused him to fail as a teacher. Which in Luke’s mind led to the fall of his new Jedi Order. Just like the hubris of the Jedi in the past led to its downfall.
     
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    When talking with Rey, he basically says that if he really was that "legendary Luke Skywalker," he would be able to guide Ben better. He claims that if he really was that legendary Jedi Master, his student wouldn't turn against him and destroy everything. He thinks it was too proud of him to take up the task of rebuilding the Jedi Order and training his nephew, because it turned out he wasn't able to stop the tragedy of Ben falling to the dark side. And what's worse, his moment of doubt and fear (what we see in the flashback) was the final straw when it comes to Ben. So he's like: "What kind of legend am I, if I let that happen?"

    I think that from the larger perspective we can see that Luke is just making excuses and is being too harsh on himself. He cannot overcome the guilt. He's just devastated by what happened. He's blaming himself and doubting everything he did, because he's lost something he cared about and feels responsible for it. It all makes him look very human, IMO.
     
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    If so then they did a terrible job at illustrating this in the movie. And it would make Luke look really bad. Like I mean really, really bad.
     
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    He also has prequel context; he see's it as a cycle that can't be broken.
     
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