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SPOILER Luke's location during the "I have it" scene with Artoo

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Grand Admiral Kraum, Apr 28, 2015.

  1. Grand Admiral Kraum

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    I noticed something which links these two pictures..

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    What do you think?

    Edit: note the robed figure behind Artoo, if you haven't noticed already..
     
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    I find it interesting that StarWars7News makes it's first point about this scene not being a flashback but being after the Kylo Ren events. This is going in comoplete contradiction to MSW, who are saying the scene is a flashback from the Jedi Academy, no?
     
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    My first thoughts were that it was the Jedi academy flashback scene, I think now that Luke comes to see the destruction Kylo caused after he leaves.
     
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    But if that is the case, how much of what MSW has been saying can we believe? Not that I was 100% behind everything they were saying but still. They seem pretty confident in their reporting.
     
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    I personally still disagree that the "I have it" scene is Jakku but that's my opinion alone
     
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    The strange thing here is that, if that is after the slaughter on Jakku, then are we sure it is Luke?

    Why is the face hidden is my question. If it takes place present day, and a figure in Jedi robes accompanied by R2D2 is there looking at the destruction everyone in that audience will assume its Luke. Perhaps it is a red herring. I had assumed the shot was from a flashback and that is why they weren't showing the face. Using a body double for Luke to portray the past events in the vision.

    If it is not a flashback, then why not show him? Is it possible we are only intended to think its Luke and maybe it is another character entirely?
     
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    But then that won't fit with the theme of the trailer
     
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    ...and the hand behind R2

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    I´m not confinced, that neighbouring sets mean "its´s on the same planet". I´mean maybe Pinewood has sets of all planets.
     
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    Can we merge this with the R2 thread? Otherwise we are going to have two copies of the same discussion!
     
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    Won't it? Lets play with this for a second.

    I have it : assumed to be Luke
    My Father has it: Vader's Mask
    My Sister Has it: assumed to be Leia

    But we have no proof that is what any of those things refer to.

    What if
    I have it : Luke's Son (Gleeson lets say)
    My Father has it: Vader's Mask in the possession of someone obsessed with it (Crazy Luke)
    My Sister has it: We have no proof that hand is Leia. Could be Rey?

    So there you have it. Gleeson is Luke's son. Rey is his twin. Luke is Kylo Ren.

    Ok maybe not. But the point stands. The trailer is designed manipulation. The hooded figure being Luke fits into our perceived theme of the trailer, but that is not necessarily the intended theme. That presumes a direct narration, where that may not necessarily be the case.

    I'm still inclined to believe that the figures is flashback Luke outside the burning jedi academy. and that the shot above changes nothing. But, I don't think that it is written in stone that Leia or Luke is ever seen in that trailer. Their faces are hidden from view for a reason, and we don't know what that reason is yet.
     
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    I feel like the main focus of your thread is R2 while the main focus of this thread is Luke. See if another moderator disagrees I'll acquiesce to their opinion
     
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    You are ignoring so many things, I don't even know where to begin...
    It was reported that Rose would hand over the lightsaber to Leia.
    Leias outfit description matches with what we see in the trailer.
    Carry Fisher strongly implied that it was her hands you see in the trailer.
    The voiceover is Luke talking about his sister.

    It was described that Luke and R2 were mourning the deaths of padawans.
     
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    None of those are facts. They are rumors. The point I was making was that we don't know any of that. We may suspect it, but to take it as written in stone dismisses the possibility that a great many things we think we know could be wrong.
     
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    The thing that is throwing me off is if the opening sequence is Kylo and the boys showing up and wreaking havoc then capturing Poe and returning to the star destroyer then we say Luke shows up at the scene of the village on Jakku and then Finn and Poe are introduced to each other and then escape back to Jakku. We then meet Rey who is alone scavenging on Jakku who then meets Finn after he and Poe crash land and then the TIE's show up guns a blazing?

    Am I the only one who thinks this sounds like WAY too much Jakku? Why are all of these people coming and going from one planet by this point we would be near maybe 35-40 minutes in and we are still messing around on Jakku. I don't think Luke is on Jakku and I'm not sure whats going on with the village. One thing I'm sure of is it sounds like one too many events are taking place on Jakku.
     
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    Hmmm... I don't know... I still still think–like others here–that this is from the flashback scene (possibly burning academy and/or pyre).

    1) The two huts are not the same
    2) Probably two different sets altogether
     
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    well of course, but rumours have certain credibility. The credibility rises as more pieces of the puzzle fit together, don't you think?
    I'm not saying these are absolute truths. (Only a sith deals in absolutes *cringe*) I'm saying it's is very likely that that is Leia.
    Luke, I'm not so sure about.
    Yes, MSW claimed a similar scene is part of a flashback, but that's about it. So the credibility of that rumour is lower.
     
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    I know we are all "over" the flashback talk but could COULD the events on Jakku with Kylo and possibly Luke seeing the aftermath be a flashback? I don't want to think that's the case, but just throwing that out there is all. Otherwise, Luke really isn't in hiding if he's on Jakku and sees the aftermath.
     
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    I'm one of the staunchest defenders of the MSW reports (the reports...not the person) as you will find on this site. But I don't like to fall in the trap of believing something that has never been proven and using that to base future assumptions on. Al I know on the trailer front is, it lines up perfectly with the MSW outline, but there is something conspicuously off with the way it hides Luke and Leia's face and the fact that they felt a need to layer new and old audio of Luke's voice. JJ never does anything simple. There is a reason why everything in that trailer was exactly the way it was. And I have not yet heard any good reasoning as to why Luke and Leia are hidden from view and why Hamill recorded new audio.

    The argument above was half in jest. I haven't completely convinced myself that Luke is Kylo Ren...yet. :) But I fear not allowing ourselves to entertain possibilities outside of the obvious may end up hiding the truth from view. The simplest explanation is often the best, except when found in a manipulative marketing campaign made by a man who embraces manipulative marketing like no other.
     
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    Just a thought, but maybe Luke feels a "disturbance," hops in his old school X-Wing (with trusty R2) and heads to Jakku to trail Kylo and our new heroes just like Obi Wan did with Luke on Tatooine. He gets there too late to save anyone, but in time to witness the aftermath of the village massacre. But he won't reveal himself until he absolutely has to.
     
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