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SPECULATION Lukes New JEDI Code

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by FallenAngel, Jan 15, 2016.

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should luke create a new jedi code

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  3. keep the old

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  1. FallenAngel

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    As Luke is the last surviving (partially trained / not trained from young in the jedi temple) jedi.
    What should be the new philosophies of his jedi order.
    Starting with the NEW JEDI CODE?

    There is no emotion, there is peace.
    There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
    There is no passion, there is serenity.
    There is no chaos, there is harmony.
    There is no death, there is the Force



    How do we Change this for starters.

    I personally feel like they tried to do a code based on the principles expressed in the origin movie, just massively misinterpreted them.
     
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    One of the lessons of the prequels was that the Jedi were flawed; particularly their dogmatic aversion to love and attachments. Luke broke the old Jedi code in ROTJ when he appealed to his father... and he was proven right.

    So I think Luke will definitely take inspiration from the past, but if we ever see a new Jedi Order then it will carve a new path.
     
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    I'm a fan of the idea that the Jedi Order we saw in the prequels, was one which had fallen into decay. They had become so inwardly focused, that they had become blind to what was happening in the rest of the Galaxy. But the Jedi were not always like this. For an order to last thousands of years as the Jedi had, they must have got something right.

    I think this is part of the reason why Luke went in search of the first Jedi temple.
     
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    The old jedi code is flawed luke should know that by now. Especially after losing his academy. Which is one of the reasons why i don't think luke is gonna die in this trilogy. He has to rebuild the jedi order.
     
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    The old code was pretty restrictive. Jedi should be allowed to make other little Jedi.....
     
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    Not matter who leads the jedi order after him the code will always decide that order's future, a encounter with the darkside as long as exists. His code was broken when Ben turned into Kylo, there is no going back.
     
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    I think Luke tried to rebuild the New Jedi Order on the same foundation as the old one. Once he lost Ben and the academy was destroyed, it became apparent to him that this wouldn't work, or wasn't the will of the Force.

    Looking for the First Jedi Temple is an attempt to explore what made the Jedi successful originally and to recreate the order without the Dogma.
     
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    I very much disagree "for a thousand years the Jedi were the guardians of Peace until the dark times till the Empire". No the Jedi weren't perfect The prequels make it clear that Palpatine was corrupting a system that was easily corruptible meaning the political system and the Jedi tried to hold together the system. I also notice people don't hold the Senate responsible for anything that went down.
     
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    Yes, he should change the old Jedi code. The no attachments rule as well as associating with political power of any kind should be the first to go.

    He should learn from the past - from both good and bad - and make flexible Jedi order which will have the ability to change with time and circumstances. That way, New Jedi Order can continue even after its founder is gone.
     
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    Luke likely created his own Jedi code based off of his own experiences and some principles of the old Jedi Order. We know from the OT that his attachment for his friends and his father helped redeem Anakin and overthrow the Empire. The new EU has shown that Luke has been searching the galaxy for Jedi artifacts and temples in order to learn more about them. The Jedi of the prequels were not perfect as they were shown to be hypocritical, indecisive, and too inflexible, and as a result they were destroyed. Obviously Luke modeled his New Jedi Order after the old one because he probably had Yoda and Obi Wan helping him, but he also had his father as well. He could learn from them what would work and what didn't in order to create a better Jedi Order.
     
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    I think there should be a few things to change. Obviously what you guys have been stating with the attachments. They definitely should allow relationships and marriages.

    Also, I don't think the Jedi Order should swear allegiance to any political group, organization or government. I do believe it should help in times of crisis, but if they swear allegiance it becomes to political and also the group it swears to could become corrupt, putting the Jedi into a sticky situation.

    I think the Jedi Council was an epic failure as well. Particularly because they all follow the same code and if somebody had differing opinions (Anakin) they were wrong. The failures of the council and Jedi code made it way to easy for Palpatine to persuade Anakin. That's all I can think of for right now but I'm sure I should think of more.
     
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    Bold statement.

    The one thing is sure is that the jedi who went in attachement didn't finish in a good way.

    That is the whole point of the prequel. If you don't follow the code, if you don't follow the rules, you fail miserably. I wonder if we have seen the same movies.

    All this because people want Rey to be Luke's daughter, this is weird.

    New jedi code :

    There is no meditation, you have to party all night.
    There is no rules, you can break it all.
    Have as many child as you want.
    Abandon them on a desert planet where they have to steal to eat.
    Them exile yourself and don't give a f*** about your acts.

    Nice one.
     
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    What's the point of having a code if you don't expect people to follow it.
     
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    Luke has first hand knowledge of the afterlife through interactions with Ben and Yoda. This makes him different than 99% of past Jedi and 99.99999999999% of non-jedi. There is no way this would not make him more focused on " what comes next" rather than the reality he is currently in. I believe force ghosts are those who have figured out how to communicate between the realities. Perhaps many others are in the afterlife, but only Yoda, Ben, etc know how to bridge the gap. Question is, can ongoings in Rey's, Luke's, Poe's, etc space impact the beyond. I bet Luke knows. I bet Snoke knows.
     
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    I think what people forget is if you are not going to be a part of the system the you are going to be considered a vigilante. Imagine a organization as big as the Jedi order before the fall. How could they go around trying to fix wrongs if the Republic didn't allow them to. Which is problematic if the government itself is being corrupted.
     
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    This isn't what happened.
    Luke redeemed his father by letting go his attachments. His passions. His Dark Side emotions.
    Had Luke not been able to let go then he would've turned to the Dark Side. Remember, he got angry and hateful when Vader said he would turn Leia.
    Luke loves Leia as much if not more than his father. Yet when he realises that he is becoming his father, he lets go of his passions and drops his saber.
    He does exactly what a Jedi should do - going by the code.

    Attachments are forbidden, but compassion is central to a Jedi's life. So, as Anakin says in AOTC, the Jedi are encouraged to love.
    But it has to be unconditional, selfless love.
    Allowing Jedi to run around forming relationships and having children will compromise them.
    How many of us parents out there would willingly allow something terrible to happen if it meant saving our kids lives?
    "The Jedi must have the deepest commitment, the most serious mind". That is vital.
    People don't have to be a Jedi. They can walk away at any time. But they wish to remain because they want to serve the will of the Force for the good of the galaxy.
    In making this decision they are making sacrifices. You're not going to have a clear mind in a situation if you're putting your family first.

    Yoda and Ben are proved wrong in the OT - but only so far as they didn't believe Anakin would be redeemed. They thought he was now pure evil.
    Only Luke knew this wasn't the case - because he was his son. He felt the good in him through their connection.
    But in terms of his actions, Luke became a Jedi because he acted as any good Jedi would've acted in the past - sticking with the code.

    There is no emotion, there is peace.
    There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
    There is no passion, there is serenity.
    There is no chaos, there is harmony.
    There is no death, there is the Force

    --- Double Post Merged, Jan 16, 2016, Original Post Date: Jan 16, 2016 ---
    The code didn't fail Anakin.
    The Jedi could've perhaps approached his training differently as he was an exceptional case being the Chosen One and starting late. Kenobi definitely shouldn't have taught him and the rest of the Jedi needed to try and understand him more. Prime example being Yoda telling him to let go of worrying about loved ones dying -technically right but it's not much sympathy for a kid who lost his mother who he was attached to. Then Palpy comes along and is easily able to seduce him by being more on Anakin's level. Again, these aren't issues with the Jedi code and the responsibility for his turn lies with Anakin BUT they could've approached things differently.
     
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    I see you're perspective, but
    there are major issues with the Jedi code. It's super contradicting. They encourage compassion but discourage love and attachment. Which it's impossible to feel compassion without a sense of love. Anakin sees that and even talks about it in the beginning of attack of the clones. For Luke to rebuild the Jedi order and keep the code the same is completely idiotic. That would be like Martin Luther nailing his 95 theses then participating in the sale of indulgences.
     
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    Well, the two times Anakin showed attachment it was on his mother and on Padme.

    Is someone here could argue that it went very well ? That it was pointless in his fall to the dark side ?
     
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    There is a big difference between having compassion on those who may need your help and getting married and having a family (which ideally people have some responsibility too).
     
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    What happens to force sensitives with enough power to become a Jedi but who find that they cannot uphold aspects of the code like not forming attachments? they just can't take part? That seems like it could be problematic.
     
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