SPECULATION Lukes New JEDI Code

I think because Luke went looking for the first temple, it means he is looking for guidance to be a better Jedi master and teacher, once he has learned new things from the past, I expect him to change the code a bit, but not wholesale.

 

Yeah, he realised he was going to become the evil he had fought against and would in fact be a greater threat to his friends and the galaxy if he continued on that path.

There is something to be said for the fact that Luke did in the end defeat the Sith through love. But it also has to be remembered that Vader literally picked The Emperor up and unceremoniously dumped him into a big hole. The point about love is that you should only act out of your unconditional love for something/someone rather than the selfish kind of love, such as lust, greed and attachment. So I am not saying Jedi at all times must love everything and everyone unconditionally but rather that the love they do have and the love they do consistently show throughout the films for other people and ideas must be unconditional, not selfish.

So no, you shouldn't always love the Sith.

The Jedi can probably cop off if they like. Might be healthy once and while to do that! But really the point is the Jedi shouldn't allow themselves to get into a relationship (form an attachment) with another person because:

a) It's very difficult to just love a partner unconditionally and not become attached. Other emotions come into play that could compromise a Jedi.
b) You might have children. And as much of a blessing they are, the Jedi again could end up putting their children before their job.
c) A Jedi must devote their time to the Force and keeping the peace. You can't raise a family and do this.

The point is, it's not impossible to have a wife and kids and not have attachments or possession but it is highly likely. And should this happen, it is just too dangerous. What would Luke have done if Vader was able to make good on his threat against Leia? Or if Luke's own children were involved and threatened? If you had to choose between your kids and the Dark Side gaining a victory, what would you choose?

Like I say, they might be able to have sexual relations with other beings but that would carry the risk of getting attached (or an STI ).

Or men. Or aliens. Yes, there are alternatives. But I guess the Jedi Code says:

There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force

So as long as you adhere to the rule of no attachments or possessions, you're ok. Maybe the Jedi can have an orgy friday or something?

Indeed. A Jedi must act out of justice from a place of calmness. If they do this, they will make the right choices.
"You will know...when you are calm...at peace". - Yoda

I think the main issue here is that people take what Luke managed to do with Vader (redeem him in spite of the Jedi's warnings that he couldn't do it) as meaning that Luke showed you can have attachments and be a Jedi.

That isn't what happened though.
Luke let go of his attachments - to himself (his life), his desires (power, save his friends & sister, relationship with his father) and simply refused to fight. He rejected the Dark Side in doing this by acting as a Jedi should - "I am a Jedi, like my father before me". However, what Luke did show here was that you could have a relationship with family members (Leia and his father) yet still reject the Dark Side. You can know your parents and siblings but still be able to let go of attachment). This does suggest one thing to me that could be changed from the original rules of the Jedi Order (not the code, the Order's rules from the PT era). And that is that potential Jedi shouldn't be estranged from their parents (and siblings) - although I am not certain that was against the rule per se. Only attachments and possessions were. I guess they saw family as an extension of that?

I would think that a child has the potential to develop into a more rounded human being if they have the love and support of their family. In fact, we saw the damage it did Anakin by being taken away from his mother. Yes, he was a lot older than other Jedi when they start but this is something the Order needed or needs to adapt to. What's more, perhaps those young babies that were taken and turned into Jedi devotees were in themselves too robotic, too brainwashed and unthinking - much like the Stormtroopers of the FO? Now that is quite extreme. And after all, the Jedi could leave the Order if they wished. They clearly found great fulfillment in serving the Force. But the main criticism of the PT Jedi was that they became too detached from both the ordinary citizens of the galaxy and the living Force. Perhaps, having a standard familial life as well as training to be a Jedi at the same time would be beneficial?

And to be honest it isn't like Luke can do anything different with his new order. Luke has a relationship with his sister. He took on her son, his nephew. He can't have one rule for himself and another for his pupils. Having said that, look what happened there....



Final point: I think what needs to be differentiated here is the Jedi Code and the rules of the Jedi Order. I can't really see why the Jedi Code needs changing at all. It's pretty clear how the code is the perfect tonic for conquering the Dark Side.

 

Yeah.

When Anakin wants to save Padme in AOTC, Kenobi says :"You will be expelled from the Jedi Order!".
Earlier in the movie he reminds Anakin, who has been having wet dreams about Padme: "Remember, you have made commitment to the Jedi Order, a commitment not easily broken".

 

No, just attachments. Anakin wanted to save Padme because of being attached to her. Kenobi saw this. He saw Anakin was growing very close to Padme. He knew a lot more in ROTS too. But he turned a blind eye to it - stupidly. But what he is saying in AOTC to Anakin is essentially that he can't reject his duty as a Jedi out of his attachment to Padme. It wasn't about not allowing Anakin to have a friendship with a girl.

 

Yeah. Kenobi saw Anakin likely was or was becoming attached to Padme.
They hadn't seen each other for 10 years before AOTC so no issue prior to that.
Then Anakin see's her again and talks very deeply about his affection for her - and Kenobi warns him of this.
Anakin isn't just saying he wants to shag her, he's practically confessing his love for her.
Kenobi sees all this and warns the Jedi that putting them together is dangerous (without being too explicit as he wants to protect Anakin).
Again, it is simply that attachments were banned. Now this likely means that sexual encounters were few and far between for the Jedi. But perhaps not impossible.

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 9, 2016, Original Post Date: Feb 9, 2016 ---

Ok, so what changes?

There is no emotion, there is peace. Should decisions be made based on emotions rather than peace? Irrational reactions rather than rational?

There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. Should a Jedi ever act without wisdom or knowledge?

There is no passion, there is serenity. Should a Jedi act on his or her passions rather than an inner calmness?

There is no chaos, there is harmony. Should a Jedi not seek harmony and balance over chaos and destruction?

There is no death, there is the Force. Meh.

I just don't see what needs changing in the code. You could add to it, but I'd imagine that would be kind of pointless. It's all pretty much in those 5 directives.

 

That's Yoda saying that in his training, Luke will be facing the Dark Side within himself and he will feel fear. He's not saying that as a Jedi you should be afraid. In fact he actively warns against fear later on.

Looking inside yourself to see how you feel about something is very different to acting out of emotion rather than calmness.

Again, you're talking about the rules of the Jedi Order, not the code.

 

How is that relevant to the code though? I mean even the last point says there is essentially no death as the Force is eternal.

It's not about not having emotions per se, it is about not acting out of emotion. Acting out of emotion is dangerous because you aren't calm. You aren't rational. As Lucas says:

It [SW] will be about how young Anakin Skywalker became evil and then was redeemed by his son. But it's also about the transformation of how his son came to find the call and then ultimately realize what it was. Because Luke works intuitively through most of the original trilogy until he gets to the very end. And it's only in the last act - when he throws his sword down and says, "I'm not going to fight this" - that he makes a more conscious, rational decision. And he does it at the risk of his life because the Emperor is going to kill him. It's only that way that he is able to redeem his father. It's not as apparent in the earlier movies, but when you see the next trilogy, then you see the issue is, How do we get Darth Vader back? How do we get him back to that little boy that he was in the first movie, that good person loved and was generous and kind? Who had a good heart.
- Time interview (Bill Moyers) 03/05/99

And also his own point of view:

I would like to see our society mature, and become more rational and more knowledge-based, less emotion-based. - GL

One of the main points about being a Jedi is that they master their emotions. It's the Sith that allow emotional thought, passionate thought and through these desires and the greed it induces, access the Dark Side of the Force.

 

Still means the same thing though. No death only the Force. They once thought they simply transformed into the Force. Became one with it. Now they also know they can return through the Force as Force ghosts. Essentially, both suggest No death there is the Force.

The Code is moral guide on how to be a Jedi rather than about certain abilities and discoveries the Jedi make.