Luke's Truth: Galaxic Sentiment or Blasphemous Jedi Sect?

I think Luke is changing the ideology of the jedi and not making a PR statement.

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Really going off on a tangent here guys, but did I here somewhere that Mace Windu was a gray jedi with doctrine similar to what Luke's appears to be in the teaser?

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*hear

 

I think Luke is adding to what we know. Which might provide a perspective change. But I don't think you are going to hear that Grand master Yoda was really screwed up. Or that Obiedient One Kenobi was anything other than a picture of what Jedi were to be.

Mace practiced in the EU a form of using the force that involve redirection of the Dark Side. Rather than bluntly opposing it he allowed it to flow through him and back at opponents. Sort of spiritual force judo.

 

I'm really looking forward to the perspective they will show from Luke. One thing I found interesting from the current treatment to Luke's journey after ROTJ was that from what it looks like, he is devoting himself to expanding his knowledge about the Jedi and the Ways of the Force. From Shattered Empire, we saw him focused on recovering the Force trees, whereas Han and Leia were still in the fight to defeat the Empire once and for all.

In some way I had speculated that during the Aftermath trilogy - where Luke is MIA - it would be fantastic that he finds Ahsoka - I don't know how she survived Malachor and why she didn't go back to the fight - but she would be a good source of information about the Jedi way. However, her knowledge would be limited since she left the Order before becoming a Jedi knight.

But going back to the main question, from Bloodline we learn the Jedi are regarded as some kind of space monks living away from the public eye, and definitely not involved in galaxy politics. So if Luke made a statement on the teaser (which might or might not be part of the finished product LOL) it depends totally in the context the words were said. Maybe there has to be a rearrangement on the way Jedi are supposed to be and how they are supposed to bring balance to the galaxy.

One thing we have to realize is that even when the Empire was defeated, all the knowledge from a thousand of generations was lost or is missing due to Palpatine's actions. So maybe Luke is asking for a change to go back to the old ways, when the Jedi order was founded.

 

You can't be grey Jedi. To be Jedi means not being grey or dark. You could be a grey Force user but then your not a Jedi.

 

Well, TCW already insinuated that Yoda only began to get towards the end of the Clone wars, that he began to see the force differently, that dark and light were not separate but two elements of one phenomenon. There is a real change in Obi Wan's perspective from when he drops off Luke to the Lars's to when we meet him again in Rebels: Twin Suns. Who is to say that Obi Wan and Yoda are not still a part of this evolution of what it means to be Jedi?

Why didn't they find Ach-To? Maybe study of the past wasn't of much interest to the PT era Jedi. Maybe they never looked for it or if they knew where it was didn't study it thoroughly. Or maybe someone hid it. The Sith? Snoke? Someone or something else?

Don't forget that Qui Gon has a big role to play in shaping Yoda and Obi Wan's views of the force from the end of the clone wars and that was a significant shift as he was an outcast among Jedi.

 

"Is time to the JEDI to.... END."Luke Skywalker
I like quotes BUT this one is a short one that hit me VERY hard.....
Is like his "jedi" tank is EMPTY.He don't want to keep going.He is done.

But the reaction for must of us is like a BOOM.....We must wait.....

 

I don't think they were inferior Jedi by any means, they were probably the most accomplished Jedi ever. But the problem is that they were operating under the Jedi code, so they could not unlock their true potential in the force because they did not embrace the grey. As far as Jedi goes, they were the best, but as far as a force user, as Luke says "there is so much more".

 

I agree to a point. The Jedi as an order would look inferior to these knew grey force-wielders, but the individual Jedi of Yoda and Obi-Wan would be looked at as those who laid the groundwork for this change. Their legacy is Luke, and if there were a scene where Yoda, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon appeared as force ghosts and agreed with Luke's sentiments, I think it wouldn't tarnish them in the eyes of the fans.

As far as Rey and Kylo's wardrobe goes I think that Kylo's apparel can be considered dark, but if you look at his clothes selection in the new Battlefront game he's wearing white. I don't think Rey's costume selection is necessarily Jedi garb either, though I may be wrong.

 

Yeah, I think that because LF is so careful to respect Lucas any attempt to go in the grey direction would honor the Jedi tradition and not drag it through the mud. I really hope they get this right whether they go the grey route or not.

 

Why would Luke think the Jedi must end?

• Ben and Yoda lied about his parentage
• Ben and Yoda recruited him to assassinate his own father
• Anakin was told he could not train as a Padawan because he loved his mother
• Mace Windu tried to assassinate the legally elected Chancellor of the Republic and declared "The Jedi must take control of the Senate to ensure a peaceful transition of power" from a democracy to a Jedi-ocracy
• Yoda tried to assassinate the Chancellor after the war was over, in what can only be described as a revenge killing. When he failed he ran away and recruited Luke to do what Yoda couldn't
• Emotions must be suppressed, and love is forbidden to a Jedi
• In the religious war between the Sith and the Jedi nearly all the casualties were not even Force sensitive. Two religious factions cost millions of lives in their war over who had the "true" religion

Obi-Wan said "Only a Sith deals in absolutes," but so do the Jedi. The Jedi are good, the Sith are evil, and nobody ever stops to ask "Wait, why am I killing these guys?" Obi-Wan ignited his lightsaber first in the Death Star duel. Qui Gonn and Obi-Wan lit theirs up first when they met Darth Maul on Naboo. Mace and his posse ignited theirs when they confronted Palpatine. Not once did the Jedi try a peaceful solution with a Sith. They just draw their weapons first and fight to the death. Exactly as the Sith do. For exactly the same reason - because their interpretation of their religion demands it.

Luke knows as long as there are Sith and Jedi there will be war between them, and people who can't even feel the Force will make up the casualty lists. Luke knows this first hand - he blew up the Death Star, a space station without a single Force sensitive being aboard, under the vocal guidance of the dead Jedi Obi-Wan Kenobi. He did this, of course, to save a planet from being blown to bits by the Death Star, a weapon built and controlled by the Sith.

As long as the Jedi and the Sith are at war planets are going to get blown up. Innocent people will die.

End the suffering.

End the war.

End the Sith.

End the Jedi.

 

Yet not 1 Rebel we see has a problem with Luke being a Jedi. Rebels say "May the Force be With you" to each other. And when Rey and Finn find out about the Jedi, the Lightsaber, Luke etc... they don't show distrust of the concept. There just isn't evidence of this.

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I don;'t think its this. He doesn't appear to have given up the force, he is training Rey.

I think its more........the philosophy he'll have an issue with.

 

It's time for the Jedi to end... SNOKES ASS and those First Order punks!

 

Mmmm relativism. Palpatine would be so proud.

 

Just out of curiosity, when the Sith did eventually take over - how did they rule the galaxy? And secondly, if the Jedi didn't exist, do you think that no one will try and take over the galaxy and use the Dark Side?

 

Wooooo slow down there Cowboy. That's a HUGE jump you make. You say Luke abolished the Jedi way, but the Jedi were all but extinct, with Vader the "last of their religion" (to quote Tarkin). Obi-Wan and Yoda should be included in that as well. So what do we have at the end of ROTJ? Luke, a partially trained Jedi and that is all. Yoda, Anakin, Obi-Wan, all gone. Perhaps Asokha, maybe one or two other renegade left over Jedi, but that's all (or so far as we know that's all). The Jedi way was abolished when Order 66 was given.

As for the line he says in the trailer, for all we know this is the director trolling the fans. It could be a line which isn't going to appear in the film. It could be that he does say that but then Rey convinces him otherwise (she must or else there really isn't a film is there?).

As for making Obi-Wan and Yoda look "lessened" how could they NOT look less that spectacular? The bloody Sith Lord was running the Republic for a decade, right under their noses. They had multiple meetings with him, were in his office, etc... I'd feel pretty darn lessened if I were a Jedi.

 

Kind of Darth Plaguies but not Darth Plag...

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The Jedi cannot follow their own rules AND defend the Galaxy. Being a Hermit in a tree is the Jedi way.