Luke's Truth: Galaxic Sentiment or Blasphemous Jedi Sect?

I'll ask again - what are the Jedi to be replaced with and how is this new "order" different in its ideology?

If you dissolve the Jedi, then you rip out the moral backbone of the entire saga. That would happen. Luke's line is simply a reflection of his mindset as we enter TLJ. Heck, we probably didn't even get the complete line! To draw the conclusion that the Jedi will be no more and they have got everything wrong is to misunderstand what Star Wars is about.

Compassion vs greed. Love vs hate. Selflessness vs selfishness. The Jedi embody this struggle vs the forces of evil. The likelihood is that Luke is struggling somewhat with the difficulty in "resolving the grey" - largely because he sees himself as a failure. Oh but here comes that bright young thing, Rey, I wonder if she'll be able to spark some life back into old Luke...?

Spoiler

Of course she bloody well will. And the new Jedi will rise - you'll see! You'll all see!

 

this.. with a big dollop of ketchup on the side, and a cold beer.

suppose for a second that this december 'The Empire Strikes Back' is being released, and none of have seen it before.

in the trailer we hear this from Yoda.. the last surviving Jedi at the time:-

omg.. so Luke doesn't get trained by yoda, and he doesn't become a Jedi. dun dun dunnnnnnn !


i could pick a million lines from any of the films.. and if you put it in the trailer 8 months before the film comes out, it will put a completely different spin on your perception of what the movie will be like.

The line we heard, Luke looking for the first Jedi temple plus the Guardian of whills book.. yes it could be that Luke's interpretation of how the Jedi should be could be different from what he was taught.

take my word for it though.. the Jedi are going nowhere.

the new Jedi will rise.

 

This or Luke became a heterodox drunkard. Too much of that good irish whiskey he found in the jedi temples secret chamber .

 

our personal points of view will forever trip us up on this subject.

a good example to use here comes from A New Hope.

Obi-wan calls out to Luke to use the force to get his torpedo into that 2 meter wide port.

Luke didn't think of using the force himself.... the force called out to him - to hit his target and blow up the death star.
death star.... that had (can't be bothered to look it up, so i'm trying to remember) over 1 million soles on board.

this is all subjective of course, but as a rebel pilot.. i think blowing up the death star is an understandable act of self defence. there's a war going on, and this is practically the rebel's one and only chance.

how do you view this use of the force? there are no sith bad guys in there.. it's a space station with hundreds of thousands of people on board.
is it a balance thing that the force thinks it needs to be blown up?

so was Luke's use of the force to hit that shaft..

• a light side power for good
• a light side power for evil
• a dark side power for good
• a dark side power for evil

easy to say the first option.. but i'll be damned if i know what i think.

it certainly wasn't a Jedi act.

it has confused me for years.. i don't think i'll ever figure it out.

 

I think we are all making way to big of deal about the line the Jedi must end. First this is a teaser and it is designed to get peoples attention (Mark Hamill said this himself). Second, marketing folks have done things in teaser/trailers to intentional mislead the viewer. It happens a lot. They want you thinking one thing but then when you see it, it's not what you thought at all (think Shutter Island, trailer made it look like a horror movie but it wasn't at all). The Jedi must end may not be the whole line. Others have alluded to this in earlier post. When we see the movie the line may not even be in the movie (I have said this before but my favorite line from Star Wars was not in the movie but was in the teaser "Lord Vader" "Yes Master" . . . . "Rise") or could have more lines after it. The Jedi must end the Knights of Ren, must end the dark side, must end the conflict, must end poverty, must end this war, must end the sith, must end child slavery, it could be anything. I think the line was supposed to lead us to believe the Jedi will end but it's misdirection and will not be the whole line or is taken way out of context. Look could be talking about what Ben said right before he attacked the Jedi training facility, we just don't know. It was done on purpose, to get not just us hard core fans talking about it but to get everyone talking about it.

 

Probably the line was "It's time for the Jedi ... to end this mess." and someone thought it would be fun to leave out the last 2 words.

 

Well said. —And what an excellent thread! Great title!

And yes- Trailers and cherry-picking context. Segments can be tossed about to provide an example hinting of nearly anything. It must be fun to muck around with experienced fan's perceptions.

Though it's boring and obvious to say, mild speculation accompanied by a "wait and see" perspective is the likely stance of the majority of us...but hey! - it's so much fun to venture an educated guess using limited data.

What I consider to be the safe bet is "new ideas based on forgotten ancient truth" combined with lessons of recent history.

Presumably, Luke has been spending *much* time piecing together the history of Force-related concepts, putting the ego aside, and trying to pinpoint where history "got it right" ... and also where folks "got it wrong".

It's pretty clear that we're in for a treat regarding the revelations of the Jedi/Sith/Force past. -And that such revelations will be phrased in such a way to provide great interest to both "movie-only" fans, AND the fans of expanded SW storylines.

Buckle up– this is gonna be a good one.