SPECULATION Luke's vision in ESB... Darth Vader's return

Going to go roll into a ball and watch The Empire Strikes Back 20 times in a row now.

 

It's not possible to ressurect a dead person in SW but o love the idea of him taking up the mantle of Vader after losing his collective sh#t and Rey having to attempt to put him down .

 

Very interesting theory. What if Luke refuses to train Rey? Everyone is assuming he will train her in Episode 8. What if he refuses to?

Everyone seems to overlook the fact that Luke actually gave in to the Dark Side in ROTJ. He gave into his anger and tried to strike Palpatine down. He then used his anger to defeat Vader. He barely escaped becoming Palpy's new apprentice. He has to be afraid of losing it and falling to the Dark Side. He may not want to have anything to do with the Force. He may refuse to train Rey for fear of her falling to the Dark Side. What if the loss of Han, and potentially the loss or suffering of Leia, cause him to fall?

 

No

 

I don't think anyone overlooks Luke's temptations. You're correct, he very nearly fell to the Dark Side. Had that happened, it would all have been over. There was a crucial moment, though, where Palpatine commanded him to finish his father and Luke dissented. He went to the edge... and then stepped back. I believe that was the turning point for Luke where he was able to reject the Dark Side. That's not to say Luke was never tempted by the Dark Side after that moment, but I think that once he turned away at that moment, then witnessed Anakin's redemption, the road was much easier.

It's an interesting theory. Luke ultimately falling to the Dark Side would have a lot of gravity. I don't think Lucasfilm will go that route, but I like the idea.

 

i've been trying to figure out what the big reveal is going to be in ep. 8 and i think this fits the bill nicely!

 

NOOOOO!!!!!

 

What if it's revealed that Snoke is actually a Frankenstein monster of sorts created from the charred remains of Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru out for revenge on Luke for failing to return home in time to do his chores? You never know...

 

or...Luke trains Rey. Rey and Ren fight again in VIII, but Rey is defeated. Luke intervenes to save Rey and capture Ren.
Ren is turned back to the Light. Rey and Ren defeat Snoke in IX.

 

I think Luke is the one going down on Episode VIII. If we are to lose the Big Three, they will go in the opposite order we met them in ANH (Leia-Luke-Han).

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I like the sound of that.

 

Luke's vision in the cave was about two things:
1) That he could fall to the Dark Side.
2) The Force was trying to reveal his connection to Vader.
I think the significance of the vision was really in Jedi. Think about how similar the situation is: Luke defeats Vader and severs a major body part (in the vision, the head, in Jedi, a hand). And that body part reflects Luke. In the vision, the face behind the mask is his own. In Jedi, its seeing how Vader also has a mechanical arm. This shows him that, if he isn't careful and let the Dark Side flow through him, he could become the next Darth Vader. Which is why he refused to continue and kill his now (literally) disarmed opponent, despite Palpatine's attempt at seduction (unlike his father, who beheaded Dooku at Palpatine's request). This shows Luke rejecting the Dark Side. Which is why I don't think that's what we are going to see in Episode VIII or IX.

 

Exactly, the face behind the mask will be his own and seeing the Vader's also has a mechanical arm his visions. He must not go down the dark path. That is what he is wanting to strike Palpatine down in Jedi but he knows he can't cause that is the dark path and he could become the next Darth Vader.

 

Even if Luke goes down in VIII, there is still the possibility that he still returns in IX, like Obi-Wan. I kind of hope Luke and Leia make it through VIII though.

 

Luke if your forsee the Resistance losing the war than I say kindly to go Blast yourself with the inside of a bantha

 

I find it very odd that JJA & Kasdan chose to have Leia's eyes flash dark for a brief moment when she learns Han Solo is dead.
The ST could turn with Luke & Rey returning to defeat Kylo Ren & Snoke only to in Ep 9 fend off Leia as she assends to her evil power then sets up a new massive force driven WMD.
Leia might kill Luke, then in the dramatic climax square off against Rey.
Winner take all. Big stakes. Just how strong can the Force really be?

 

Whoa. I interpreted that more as grief than evil... After all, all their differences aside, Han was Han. And she needed to contain her emotions, given the battle was roaring. I don't think she has it in her to kill her brother. That would be the ultimate turn-dark move, even worse than Kylo killing Han.

 

Much of the speculation on how the character arcs in the new trilogy will go, greatly depends on the 'bigger picture' plans Lucasfilm has for this franchise after Ep.9. If there are concrete plans to eventually go ahead with a 4th trilogy(I'd say a break of 5-6 years before that happens), that would allow the writers much more freedom, as it will not be necessary to complete Rey or Ben's story arcs by Ep.9.

I made a post on the Sequel Trilogy forum asking what people opinions would be if Ep.9 did NOT have a happy ending. In other words, what if this trilogy ends much like the prequel trilogy. https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....need-to-end-on-a-happy-note.9277/#post-264910

 

I don't know that they'd want to do that again with the very next trilogy after the PT though. But perhaps they might. I think it more likely that, if they end up making Episodes X-XII, that they'd mostly wrap up the major storylines/character arcs by Episode IX, but leave some things dangling to possibly pick up later. Like for example:

-Kylo, if he lives, disappears somewhere and we don't know what his future intentions are.
-Luke and Rey decide to restart the Jedi Order, but we don't get to see it until future films.
-Leia and co start rebuilding the NR government.
-Etc.

Stuff like that.