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Main Kylo Ren/Adam Driver Episode IX Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by LadyMusashi, Jul 5, 2018.

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    yeah, i'm seriously not okay with that.
    but i do have faith in Kennedy, Abrams, and LFL. : D
     
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    I only see 3 potential reasons for Kylo to choose to be redeemed.

    Leia, but now unfortunately it couldn't be an on screen confrontation, so it would be Kylo giving his life to save her (or avenge her I suppose which doesn't sound too light side lol).

    Rey, because they have a "connection". Hopefully not through romantic love, but respect and affection would be different.

    Or doing it for himself, which based on what we've seen so far I don't see him going there without help. Or maybe lack of options (Hux and KoR turn on him). But in the case of lack of choice, it would seem less choosing light and more choosing to survive. In itself, that could be interesting.

    The only issue I see with Kylo surviving is what does the new government do with a guy like that? Super powerful, had committed crimes of mass destruction and against humanity. What prison holds him? How can you allow a guy deserving of multiple life sentences walk away free? How many bounties would be on his head from wealthy people he's harmed. How many parents would go kamikaze to avenge their lost loved ones that were killed by his hand?

    I guess a new trilogy about this could be interesting to explore though.
     
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    If it's Rey, then it should only through love. Anakin became Vader by love. <=> Kylo becomes Ben by love. #Poetry

    This is the most likely scenario. He has to redeem himself.

    It's Star Wars. So it won't - most likely - be adressed in the movie itself. But personally I hope Ben will go into exile all by himself.
     
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    So another ben another exile :p:D But yeah that would be really good :);) ..
     
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    I would prefer Ben going in exile with his mom.
     
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    His mom is needed to rebuild the Republic. ;D But yeah, she would probably visit him. On the other hand I kinda want that nobody knows where Ben went to. He just took the Falcon (with or without Chewie) and flew off into space. Maybe Rey feels where he is, but that's it.
     
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    Anakin's fall did not make his mother Shmi a terrible person for sending him away as a kid with jedi she barely knew, knowing how much he was attached to her and she may never see him again......Similarly, Obi-wan is not perceived as a terrible person for training Anakin as a jedi and subsequently fighting, cutting off his limbs and leaving him burned by lava after he saw the darkness in Anakin........Shmi is always seen as a sympathetic character, and Obi-wan is much loved and popular.....The OT3 would still remain beloved characters even if Kylo fell completely to the dark side, blazing yellow eyes et al.

    Something like Senya and Arcann leaving?
     
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    I think there is a difference between failing as parent and being a terrible mother/ father.
     
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    I used the word 'terrible' as this was the term you used in your previous post, stating that Kylo falling would make them terrible parents.

    There is nothing in canon to indicate Han and Leia were terrible parents, quite the contrary. If Kylo thinks they failed him despite having doting parents, then it reflects poorly on him than on them and people who want to see Kylo turn dark have no reason for concern. IF Kylo gets redeemed, it should be him acknowledging his mistakes and making up for his wrong, not passing the blame to his poor parents. But if people don't want to see him redeemed, it doesn't in any way reflect poorly on the OT3.
     
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    Awww, poor Adam. In saying that, his hair is just too glorious to deny the world of it, imo.
    --- Double Post Merged, Sep 14, 2018, Original Post Date: Sep 14, 2018 ---
    It's a beautiful story if Kylo Ren is redeemed. If not, what are we doing here?

    (Just my two cents.)
     
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    A dramatic story can also be beautiful. If it's told correctly, then I'm happy either way.
     
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    If Kylo Ren isn't redeemed it can still be a beautiful story.
    To some, Kylo can never be redeemed anyways.
    Vader was literally redeemed to Luke and Leia. No one else.

    The trouble with redeeming Kylo vs redeeming Vader is, we saw Kylo's crimes.
    We didn't see Anakin's crimes until much later and that colors our view of his redemption.
     
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    I know I'm definitely biased because it's what I want to see.
     
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    Good point. A more public redemption would make things different from ROTJ.
     
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    I unashamedly wanted to see Matt the Radar Technician again, except maybe on the Supremacy instead of Starkiller Base. God, that skit is so hilarious.
     
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    Great video :);)..
     
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    Matt the Radar Technician was pure gold. They should make a sequel ;)
     
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    like to see ben Solo’s lightsaber return in a longer scene :);).. Perhabs the attack on Skywalkers students :);) .. the way i look at it is he used that saber to attack Luke in the hutt and imediately after that He took out his students, so the change from an single bladed lightsaber to an crossguard probably didn’t happen until ben took Luke’s students out and vanished with the rest of them :);)..
     
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    I just don't see how he can be redeemed and it fit in with the story so far. Vader was always under the Emperors influence he was not the leader of the Empire so for him to be redeemed the story required him to turn and break free of the Emperors grasp which he did by saving his son.

    Kylo Ren however is now leader of the First Order there is nobody above him to break free from. That character was Snoke and when Kylo killed him instead of returning to the Resistance and light he embraced the Dark Side and installed himself as Supreme Leader. That was his test and he failed.
     
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