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Main Kylo Ren/Adam Driver Episode IX Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by LadyMusashi, Jul 5, 2018.

  1. Maximus

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    welcome to the Cantina @Cheryl Regan :)

    If Ben did decide to jump ship (from dark side to light), i'm not sure how much time we'd really get in this saga to truly see that pan out.

    but.. i'm of the opinion that people around you will soon gasp in horror if you do something utterly villainous, and in the same way will get behind you and support you if you do something truly heroic.

    those directly affected by Ben's actions while he wore the mask may never forgive or accept him.. but that's their choice. how we as an audience feel about him would be our choice.

    He's such a wonderful character, and i hope Ben turns to the light so that we can decide for ourselves what to think of him.

    the big question (and perhaps the most important one) is whether or not Ben could live with the things he did. I want Ben Solo to come home (to the light) so much.. but i'm not sure he'd be happy and content. if he wasn't happy or content then he would always be at risk of the dark side path.

    love him or hate him, whichever way he goes from here... what a character eh?
     
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    Glad I could be of some assistance. =)

    Yeah, I haven't really read any SW novels for a while either, my mind loses concentration too easily making it very hard to get through a book. =p
     
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    Kylo Ren reacts to "The Rise of Skywalker" teaser. And even though this is for comedy he points out something that I never noticed or anyone else for that matter. At the end of the teaser is Kylo's theme

     
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    Lol I loved that :D who made this? Funny guy.
     
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    Auralnauts is the name he goes by on Youtube. He has several Kylo one's and he does other funny videos
     
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    I haven't read this entire thread so if this has been discussed already forgive me, but as I keep thinking about it: LFL Brass continues to refer to this as the end of the Skywalker Saga. So wouldn't that mean that Kylo...

    ...has to die?
     
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    No, you don't have to destroy something to end it. IMO the most fitting way to end the Skywalker saga would be to break the Skywalkers' curse of being tempted by darkness. Kylo/Ben breaks free of that curse, redeems himself and lives on. That's a satisfying conclusion.
     
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    You don't have to destroy something to end it, but you do have to END it to end it. I understand you are talking about what you refer to as the Skywalker curse (not sure that there is one actually) but LFL is talking about the end of the Skywalker Saga. Not curse. Saga.

    If he lives, how does the Skywalker Saga not continue on? Whether he is Kylo or Ben he has the Skywalker blood and he is the only one that does. It seems difficult to make an argument for him surviving in light of all this.
     
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    Ending means they just don't continue it. Ben Solo can survive, but maybe there won't be any new stories about him and the Skywalkers after that. => End of the Skywalker saga. It's pretty easy if you ask me.
     
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    The easiest way to accomplish / explain why there are future stories that continue to involve Rey Finn or Poe after TROS but does not include Ben is because he dies. If it were up to me, I wouldn't be pressed to end the Skywalker Saga. Seems like there's plenty of room to expand around it. But since they are intent on ending the Skywalker Saga I'm not sure how that's possible if a relatively young, Force using phenom that is the last of the Skywalkers doesn't die in the process. There is no reason NOT to follow his story in the future given his lineage and his abilities, unless... he's dead.
     
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    or goes into exile. or leaves for the Unknown Regions in search of atonement, or "retires" to Ahch-To to commune with the fish people.
    the point is that his story is "done". we do not revisit him again. but he certainly doesn't need to die. also, as so many people like to point out, even though Ben is a Skywalker, he's also a Solo. if he chooses to disconnect himself from the Force, that will end an aspect of his family line. if he chooses to embrace his father's legacy insteead of his grandfather's, that could effectively end the Skywalker line. if he chooses to join/create/attach himself to another family, that could effectively end the Skywalker line. literally so many options here.

    not the least of which this saga is over, but the story can/will continue.

    Endgame is ending the current Marvel saga. pretty sure most of those characters will live and continue to have adventures even if just in our heads or the comic books or whatever. but this story, this phase, is done.

    Star Wars is not a franchise that rests on cynicism and failure. the Skywalker line isn't going out in the Dark or in some blaze of bitter-sweet glory. it's going to find peace and purpose.
     
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    As long as Ben is alive, the Skywalker saga is not over. Luke was everything that you just hypothesized about Kylo. He was on Ach-To, retired, disconnected from the Force, and essentially disavowing the Jedi...

    ...and he still came back to play a role because he was still alive. If there are any future stories with Rey, it seems inescapable that for the Skywalker saga to end, Ben is dead. Again, I don't think the Skywalker saga needed to necessarily end, just expand. It wasn't my decision. LFL is the one pushing this even though I disagree that is necessary in any way. But it seems like the unavoidable consequence is Ben dies. It is the ONLY way that the saga is over (Leia obviously has to die as well for this to be true)

    If LFL was merely saying this is the end of the Original Trilogy, then I could see (and agree) that it wouldn't require Ben's death. The end of the Skywalker saga however implicitly means those of the Skywalker lineage are gone. Not retired, not on a galactic vision quest. Gone. All of them.

    I am confident that if Ben merely retires or disconnects at the end of TROS, and a new movie comes out 10 years down the road that featured Rey again, not a single person on here would be saying, "well Ben's not going to be a part of it because he retired". Plagueis is dead and folks are still trying to work him back into an arc. Retirement would not be the end of the Skywalker saga. The only way possible that he isn't in a future movie is if he dies.
     
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    Before George Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney he said the saga is finished, even though Luke Skywaker was still alive. Why isn't this possible for EPIX and Ben too?

    Let's be realistic here. Reylo will most likely happen and with that we will have Skywalker offsprings. But this doesn't mean we need to see them in futrue movies. Maybe the galaxy is in peace for once. The new sagas have new time lines and topics to deal with then. No need to kill the Skywalkers off.
     
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    Did Lucas say the "Skywalker Saga is finished" or "the Saga is finished"; there's a difference. In any event, SW is under Disney now and they are the ones saying the Skywalker Saga is over. Mistake? I think so. Maybe disgruntled fans will convince them to change their course of direction after the fact (though if TLJ is any indication I doubt it, they seem content to take whatever slings and arrows they have to, to change the franchise in the way that they want).

    You think it's realistic that Reylo will happen?
     
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    Yes, this.
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    I know you didn't ask *me* about this, but there has been a lot of evidence in support of, so I think writing it off is definitely the wrong stance.
     
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    The Dark Knight Trilogy saga is finished.
    Bruce is retired, and John Blake will take on the mantle of Batman.
    The "Dark Knight" is not dead.

    just because something is done, doesn't mean it's because it can't continue.
    only that it won't.

    do you see what i mean/understand the difference?
     
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    I do. Do you see and understand the difference between the Dark Knight Trilogy (a story) being finished vs LFL saying the Skywalker (a family) saga is finished? Batman may be rebooted an infinite number of times, like Spiderman, and Superman with or without killing the character. All 3 of the characters I just named have in fact been killed off and brought back. That's a little bit different than the Skywalkers who exist within a story and die only once. Agreed?

    If Ben Solo does not die by the end of TROS, but there are future movies/stories planned Rey, your expectation is that Ben will not be involved - is this a correct summation or no? Genuine question.
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    To my mind's eye there is a dearth of evidence to support it. Rian seems to have shut the door on it definitively and I don't see any signs that JJ was particularly interested in picking it back up. I'm assuming the evidence you see comes from TLJ?
     
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    my assumption is that he won't come back.
    or that he may be mentioned but not materialize.
    or that it's two generations later and his Solo grandchildren run a galactic shipping company for the new Jedi.
    or heck, maybe we do see him somewhere down the line, but he's just a supporting character/mentor to some new character.
    i don't know. more importantly, it doesn't matter.

    what matters is that this arc: from Anakin to Ben is done.
    he finishes what his grandfather started, the galaxy is in balance. Rey is the new hero/leader perhaps.
    the purpose of the Skywalkers has been fulfilled. that's how a saga can "end" without anyone needing to die.
     
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    I’m not for or against Ben & Rey getting jiggy with it, but I saw a plethora of awkwardness and ‘moments’ between the two of them in TLJ to know that there is something there.
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    what do you see here? some might see her shutting the door on Ben. me? I see Ben understanding that he’ll need to fight for her.
    that might just be me though :)
     
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    You can have "Reylo" without it being a romance.
     
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