Main Palpatine/Ian Mcdiarmid Episode IX Thread

Fair point, but this is on a another scale. They've said that Palpatine was the end goal for IX. Before VIII even came out.

 

We shall see.

 

I'm in the camp that Palpatine will be revealed very early. Kind of like Han's entrance. An opening act or battle, then the Palpatine reveal. Then the rest of the film on a mission to end it. We may even see him in the full trailer. The secret they are trying to keep is more along the lines of "what does Kylo do?" and "what does the title mean?"

 

I mean we have seen his MO pretty much all over the First Order: stormtroopers, tie fighters, star, destroyers, use of proxy leaders, masked henchmen with red lightsabers, odd obsession with skywalker bloodline, red-clad elite warriors. We were mad not to see it coming really. It's likely that Snoke was just a caretaker (almost certainly one of those purple robed advisors!) who's mission was to grow the thing, bump off Luke, and hand the reigns back to the Emperor once the FO had enough control not to resist him.

If Leia could survive that explosion with her 'space walk' its also not surprising Palpatine is still out there. I think that the various miraculous survivals have all been leading up to it, from Maul onwards.

 

Masked henchmen with red lightsabers isn't the MO of the Emperor. It's the MO of the Sith in general. Lol.

 

^ It's the MO of Dark Side Force users in general.

Snoke, Kylo, and the rest of the Knights of Ren aren't Sith, but that wouldn't have stopped Palpatine from making them pawns in his 'endgame' contingency plan.

 

Maybe The Emperor transferred his consciousness to an object before he died, Voldemort style.. and Kylo ends up resurrecting The Emperor in his efforts to resurrect Vader.

Maybe Snoke was a resurrected ancient sith lord? That explains the "thousands of years old" quote from Andy Serkis.

Anyway, this is why Kylo has Vader's helmet, why he wants the lightsaber etc..



Also..

"there were other big plot ideas dropped: “a search for Darth Vader’s remains, or a quest to the underwater wreckage of the second Death Star to recover a key piece of history about sacred Jedi sites in the galaxy.”"

https://www.indiewire.com/2015/12/m...wakens-a-much-larger-role-for-redacted-95887/

 

Snoke is not a Sith.

 

After thinking about this a couple of days I have a a couple of ideas I would like to float out. 1. Sidious is not going to be revived during Skywalker. He has been manipulating everything that has happened in the last thirty years such as the rise of the First Order and the turning of Ben Solo. He has done this by using his Knights of Ren and by using a husk body (Snoke) Yep I believe Palps and Snoke were one in the same. After the Death of his host body he goes back to the place his essence is strongest the Death Star II 2. I also believe he created Rey the same way he did Anakin and Keri Russell's character was charged with the same role as Cad Bane in the Children of the Force arc and collecting this child for either subjugation or using her as his next vessel. Zorri refused and leaves the girl with her mother on Jakku who the trade her for some drinking money. 3. Kylo recieved a vision from the Vader helmet and it told him to "Finish what I started" Ben believes this to mean that he should take up the dark legacy of his family (Sidious probably reinforced this to him) but in actuality it is Anakin asking Ben to finish what he started and end the reign of Sidious and restore balance to the force.

 

What I don't get is why reveal him in a teaser trailer at all if he's actually in the film in any major way?

Surely it would be a massive surprise and one they would want to keep as secret as possible. That tells me that its probably a flashback involving Luke or something rather than any actual involvement in the film.

 

It's to drum up excitement which leads to $$$$$. It's really that simple. There were a lot of disappointed fans lacking excitement for IX. Giving them this nugget gives them hope and suspense, which leads to $$$$$.

 

Knowing JJ and his mystery box, he would want to keep this a secret. Like Yoda being TLJ. It has to be a bigger role then just a flashback. In one of the leaks by Making Star Wars, they mention controversial macguffin. Having Palpatine be that macguffin would certainly be controversial.

 

And, I'd add that they probably didn't believe they could keep it a secret for much longer. I think JJ said he was surprised it didn't leak before celebration. However, the excitement/money aspect was probably the determinant factor.

 

Maybe Palpatine was possessing Snoke through this ring?:

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Snoke's_ring

The ring had stone from Vader's fortress on Mustafar which certainly has a number of ties to Palpatine and the dark side. Also, it has glyphs of those sages which also have ties to Palpatine:

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Four_Sages_of_Dwartii

Also, why would there be so much detail on Snoke's ring? On the flip side, this is Star Wars and there's so much detail and backstories on such little "insignificant" things. So what do I know?!

 

Hello there, here's my theory on how to tie in the three trilogies and bring back Palpatine. It's a bit fantasy-like (Lord of the Rings style), but if you accept the Essence transfer postulate, I think it's plausible

Palpatine/sidious sensed Snoke's (a powerful dark side user) presence in the Unknown regions before his death. After dying on DSII, he transferred his essence* into an artifact or into the ruins of the Death star themselves and survived as some sort of sith ghost.
He then travels with the remaining imperials to the Unknown regions and takes possession of Snoke, whose body quickly degrades (just as Palpatine's clones in Legends).
Snoke goes to Mustafar and takes the obsidian stone which he engraves with the 4 Dwartii sages figures (the same that can be found in Chancellor Palpatine's office) and wears it on his ring.
He creates Kylo (or influences its development in his mother's womb) to serve him as a new Vader, just like he created Anakin (which is canon since the last Vader comics).
This explains why Snoke hates Luke so much and why he seems to know what happened on DSII and the weakness of Darth Vader who turned back to the light (VII novelization).
It also explains why the First Order bears so many similarities with the Empire, its usage of super-weapons, and the design of the praetorian guard which is inspired by a Sith guard from the old Republic time (canon, VIII visual dictionnary I thin).
In VII, he discovers Rey (which was potentially created by the Force itself to counter the resurgence of the Dark Side), and see her as a new powerful body to posess. When Snoke is slayed, the spirit of Palpatine goes back to the Death Star ruins on Endor and our heroes will have to find a way to defeat him once and for all.

* Essence transfer is a Legends sith power that allowed to cheat death, but we've already seen two powers coming back from Legends (Forceback in VII and Force Projection in VIII). All in all, essence transfer is no more than a hardcore version of the Projection.

 

Exactly, since the rule of two still applies he can just simply make new sects like he did with the inquisitors. Darth Sidious planned so far ahead that I'm sure he planned for a scenario like this all a long.

 

I like your theory. I just wanted to say that Snoke didn't really discover Rey in VII but only in VIII. In VII he felt the "awakening", which he thought (and confessed he thought) to be Luke Skywalker. ("Skywalker, I presumed, wrongly...").

So, Snoke/Palpatine (in your theory) didn't know about Rey and therefore he didn't seem to be behind her creation, through the force or other means. That's my interpretation at least. He then saw her as an interesting new body to possess, as you suggest.

I like your theory because Snoke's deep hatred towards Luke always seemed out of place to me. Sure, he didn't want any opposition, but his hatred towards "Skywalker" was very intense. It seemed to stem from something greater, something in the past between these two characters.

Your theory would also explain why there is no real background story to Snoke, and that he seems to "die" too soon in VIII. Also, Snoke's arrogance seems way too much like Palpatine's. The same overconfidence, which Luke sensed and now Kylo as well. Kylo sensed he was about to be traded by Rey and decided to strike.

Im my opinion, I think your theory would work well in the overall scheme of things, and seems to be based on canon by what you describe.

 

It hasn't been named such, but we have seen what is essentially "essence transfer" enter the Canon with what we learned about Lord Momin (although the argument could be made that it actually entered Canon with the younger readers book The Mighty Chewbacca in the Forest of Fear).

I would also point out that it has been stated that we were not supposed to take the images from the Vader comic that concern Palpatine and Shmi's pregnancy literally.

Otherwise, the idea of Palpatine "possessing" Snoke or otherwise influencing him is sound and fits within the current Canon. The only piece we're missing is the means by which Palpatine returns to his own body.

 

Maybe he doesn't return to his own body. What if he could take possession of literally any body. A freaky – and new – concept at least ...

 

Sorry, maybe a weird question, but, uh, in this space opera about magic wizards, why do we care if the bad guy is a hologram or not?