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Main Palpatine/Ian Mcdiarmid Episode IX Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Bluemilk, Apr 13, 2019.

  1. RockyRoadHux

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    The way I see it, it's not about rising to power. It's about failing and how to overcome one's failure.
     
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    Take him to see Miracle Max and get the bellows warmed up!

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    But will it really work?

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    It would take a miracle!

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    Forget the mystery surrounding Rey's parents, I think I just discovered who Snoke's parents are!
     
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    This is what makes me want to bang my head against a brick wall with regards to the concept of Star Wars "canon".

    We have an entire plot strand from the OT being motivated by Luke's potential because Vader was his father - "The Emperor knew, as I did, if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him."
    We have Luke telling Leia the Force is strong within his family.
    And people were happy with that for decades.
    Then we retroactively had the concept that it was a measurable quantity of tiny organisms within a person's blood that dictated a connection to the Force within an individual.
    And now we have a line of dialogue within a Star Wars movie where Luke literally refers to his own inherited blood being responsible for what makes Ben Solo potentially strong with the Force. Snoke too refers to Ben's potential being directly related to his bloodline.

    So we've gone from a situation where something was implicit and served the story, to adding a bit of detail where blood literally becomes the medium that carries your Force potential, to where we are now with a character explicitly saying a bloodline is important.

    Which is all fine... but it all screams out to me that the Force CAN be inherited down through generations of the same bloodline. Not always, maybe, but can. It was implicit in the movies before, and now it is pretty explicit.

    But then someone has written a certain novel, or a cartoon series, a certain way, and some clown in an office somewhere makes a decision on what is "canon" or not, even if you have to jump through hoops to make it make sense within the context of the movies.
    It worked far better how it did back in the day - yes, it was a big mess - but there were different levels of canon. You could acknowledge there was an "official line" on something that happened offscreen, but the movies trumped everything, and you could discuss them without someone shutting you down with a "no, this is canon now" - to which there is no real comeback, even when the concept conflicts with how people have interpreted the movies for decades.
     
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    Also as to
    The Kylo Ren/Ben Solo name thing if there is like this big showdown with a Palpatine ghost and Kylo Rises and chucks his saber away and says: ‘No, I’m a Skywalker like my mother/uncle/grandfather before me.’

    Like, within that context it would totally be in reference to him regardless of him being called Solo. The context of the actual movie will determine the actuality of the titles meaning and nothing else.
     
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    A Palpatine ghost is in all probability out of the question. He will probably be in the movie less than 5 minutes in the form of a hologram. His laugh was put in the trailer to create excitement, hype and a big interest, not because hes in the movie for a particularly long time. Search your feelings; you know it to be true!
     
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    I assume he will feature in one of Rey’s force-backs or maybe even Kylo rens. Showing them either that he created Anakin or aternitivly Rey. Or both. Making Rey anakin mark 2. This would be an interesting spanner in the works because we already know that Kylo Ren sees himself as Anakin skywakers heir so for Rey to be a direct sequel to anakin it would make Kylo Ren have to reframe Reys place in all this. So i think flash back sheev is most likely.

    That being said, after Luke became a Hologram I pretty much think palpatine could conceivably come back. I mean the cloning tec is there since the prequels. And Ian is the right age to play a cloned sheev, so...its all to play for. Regadless what I was actually saying is that the title could easily refer to Kylo Ren based on context. I wasn’t actually commenting on the likely hood of a Kylo/Palpatine showdown.
     
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    Agree. I just hope JJ doesnt drop the ball on this great actor/character like RJ did with Del Toro in TLJ (great example of wasting talent)

    If Paps just appears as a brief holocron on screen for 10-20 seconds i'll be disappointed.

    The Sidious laugh was the best part of the trailer IMO.

    Cheers, KH
     
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    Han may have something to say about that...
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    Palpatine is not the main villain of the movie. In the first act, the remaining Resistance members will get a signal and find the half-destroyed Death Star. They'll sneak in and it will be some old Palpatine hologram or message that will put the film into motion. At least that's what I think.
     
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    A Sith of Palpatines wisdom and power could certainly survive in that piece of the Death Star that sitting on the ground. If Palpatine was physically in that section of the DS he could be very much still be alive without being some Force preserved being. Easy enough to use the Force to cushion the blow and impact on the planet. If parts of DS survived being blow to bits then Palpatine could survive too.
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    Would be cool if somehow they had to retrieve Vader’s Light Saber to combine with Anakins Saber in that two end staff to bring the two half’s of Anakin together to finally defeat Palpatine.
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    They need a main Villain for Kylo to redeem himself.
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    Maybe Han impregnated Schmi.
     
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    I just wann hear him laugh again in all his glory.
    If that happens I am satisfied
     
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    I really hope you are right. But then again I had so much hopes for Luke...
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    If anyone impregnated Schmi, its Qui-Gon Jinn.. ;-)
     
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    Luke's part in the story as a disillusioned hermit was George's idea and was there from the very beginning of the development process on Episode 7, so I really think people ought to get over this idea that the character was somehow "ruined".
     
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    If all he is as a hologram then he should have been left as a easter egg.
     
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    There are 4chan leaks from back in February that line up with MakingStarWars leaks regarding Palpatine. If true, we may not actually see Palpatine in the flesh as Ian. It would also help us understand why we never got any back story on Snoke.
     
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    IMO, so far the "second trilogy" is its own standalone trilogy based 30 years after ROTJ as it really has nothing in common w/ the PT/OT (besides the original characters who have become the supporting cast in the ST)

    In 30 years there has been literally 0 progress to this storyline. The Sith and Jedi are still gone, Rebel Alliance is now the Resistance and on the run. Empire now the first order. We never saw the New Republic (besides why would there be a 'resistance' if the New Republic was in control?

    PT/OT: Jedi, Sith, Coruscant, Republic, Clones, the Emperor, Anakin/Vader and the twins (One can argue EP 1 to EP6 was Palpatine's conquest to rule the Galaxy)
    So far the ST has none of these elements.

    As I mentioned before, the only thing which could link the ST to the OT/PT is Anakin and the Emperor

    If you're going to end the Skywalker storyline then do so w/ a bang. Having Anakin and.or the emperor appear as a recording of a ghost for 30 seconds is not only doing the fans a disservice but to the franchise as well.

    I'd write more but I have a heart condition!
     
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    The Resistance and the First Order are not the same organizations as the Rebellion and the Empire, although the First Order rose out of the ashes of the latter.
     
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    I just hope you're right.
    Kind of freaks me out see a Palpatine like we saw in ROTS.
     
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    Yes it changed everything.
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    If they only gave Palpatine 20 seconds hologram. I will leave the movie let down.

    Is it wrong to expect the ST to have deep threads tying it into the first 6 movies? As someone said above, the is more a Stand alone trilogy rather than a continuation of the Anakin Skywalker Saga and Legacy.

    At this point perhaps Disney should remove EP 7,8,9 from the Trilogy and let it stand alone. Then... they can actually try to make a proper 7,8,9 to the Saga.
     
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    I wonder if the return of Palpatine basically proves (or heralds, if you will) that we'll get a big tie-off of loose threads in RoS, like Anakin's immaculate conception, the machinations of Darth Plagueis, the relationship between him and his apprentice, what Palpatine's contingency plan really was all about, what was discovered beyond the Outer Rim, etc... Will RoS endeavor to answer all these questions from the Skywalker Saga/Prequels or will ends still be dangling loosely by the end of the saga? Personally, I'm good with either option, and I certainly don't NEED every loose end to be tied off, but I am curious, nonetheless (pwned)

    Also,
    The rumored "Force Flash Fighting" thing that we're apparently going to get in RoS could make a perfect exposition vehicle without sacrificing tension, pacing, and plot. We could get loads of expositional background scenes as context for the multi-environment duel(s).

    Is it likely that JJ Abrams will do an 'explaining everything' type of film? I mean, he does like mysteries and ambiguity, doesn't he? So perhaps, rather than using Palpatine to tie off everything, JJ will focus on looking forward rather than backwards? Focusing on resolving the ST threads and arcs rather than spending too much time on OT & PT storylines? What do you guys think?
     
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