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Main Rey/Daisy Ridley Episode IX thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by LadyMusashi, Jul 5, 2018.

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    Rey in an x-wing


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    Also just a little news on Daisy


     
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    I don't know where to put this. So I'll do it here. I finally gritted my teeth and sat down to watch the much maligned 'Ophelia'. It wasn't the carwreck I expected it to be. Yes Daisy is the best thing in the film, and her best performance is towards the last half hour.

    That being said, apart from being a fan of Daisy . I just wanted to see how the role compares with Rey and her acting skills in general. I read some snide remarks comparing Ophelia to Rey. They are not. Rey and Ophelia are two different characters. And Daisy plays them differently.

    Watching Ophelia made me appreciate Rey so much more. One of the best things I have always loved about Rey (and many of my favourite heroines) is for what she doesn't do or say. There has always been an undercurrent of danger to her. An aura about her that says you want to think twice before you cross/mess with her. It's just so much more effective than yelling, screaming and making dumb threats. Always a lady first.
     
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    As someone with an interest in astronomy and physics, I wholeheartedly approve and it would be exciting to watch.
     
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    FASHION|PEOPLE /
    DAISY RIDLEY CHANNELS HER INNER FORCE AS THE GENERATION’S FEMINIST ICON
    THE ‘STAR WARS’ ACTRESS IS A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH.

    Imagine waking up to an e-mail sent by none other than Daisy Ridley (she of J.J. Abrams’s most recent Star Wars epic saga) at 7.30am, all blurry-eyed while your iPhone’s face recognition tried to detect a sense of familiarity through its 12MP lens. As surreal as it seems, that’s exactly what happened to me as I fell asleep not too long ago while our team in London wrapped up this March issue’s cover shoot. Call it the plight of a trans-continental collaborative effort, but such is the beauty of a borderless world these days.

    While it had only been a few months since Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker had showed in cinemas, the British actress’s portrayal of Rey has long left an indelible mark on the film industry. As the first Jedi heroine in the cult franchise, the 27-year-old actress has propelled herself into superstardom, as well as becoming the new face of feminism in the 21st century. For yours truly, it’s even more dream-like considering the fact that I had grown up watching the sci-fi epic as a child, but left many questions unanswered. Among them: “why were there hardly any female Jedis around?” It was a debate that legions of Star Wars female fans discussed, but it wasn’t until the arrival of Rey which changed that perception.

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    Cast from complete obscurity, Daisy Jazz Isobel Ridley, the youngest of five sisters, had suddenly been thrust into the spotlight, leaving her former days as a young actress making the rounds at a London pub (on minimum wage, no less) in a galaxy far, far away. After several years traversing the cosmos, the London native had proven to be more than just a lightsaber-wielding paladin—going on to star in the Claire McCarthy-directed Ophelia as the film’s titular role, as well as Mary Debenham in 2017’s Murder on the Orient Express by award-winning director, Kenneth Branagh.
    It’s a testament to Daisy’s own multifaceted talent, of which she had evidently honed since childhood, I came to discover. In this exclusive interview, “The Talented Miss Ridley” shared (over the glorious invention that is the Internet) her most challenging obstacle on set, working alongside the late icon Carrie Fisher, abstinence from social media, and finally coming to terms with life after Star Wars.


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    Your breakout role as Rey in Star Wars, has hailed you as a feminist icon in the realm of cinema. What do you think about that, and how you’ve become an inspiration to other girls around the world?
    “I feel incredibly grateful and lucky that I’ve been able to play Rey. It’s such a brilliant role in such an iconic universe, and to have been joined in each subsequent episode with more fantastic women has been really special.”



    What has been the most important lesson you’ve learned from portraying Rey?
    “I think the most important lesson I’ve learned from playing Rey is that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts! To work on such a massive production has made me aware of all the phenomenal work that every individual does on set, and in the film, Rey can only do what she does because of the support of her friends, and I think there’s a lot of beauty in that sentiment.”



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    What was it like to have worked alongside the late Carrie Fisher, who was (and still is) such a huge feminist icon?
    “It was amazing to work with Carrie, and especially emotional to see us back in scenes together in this film. She was an incredibly smart, hilarious woman, and to be around her and to see the impact she has had on people around the world was amazing.”



    What has been the most challenging obstacle for you while filming Star Wars?
    “For this last film particularly, really keeping myself going through an intense and lengthy filming process was the most tricky. It’s a testament to J.J. [Abrams] that if I felt I couldn’t get to an emotional place because I was so tired, he’d figure out a way to get me there.”



    You’ve also starred as the female lead in Ophelia, as well as Mary Debenham in Murder on the Orient Express. With such contrasting roles, what is your approach like when it comes to choosing film projects?
    “I want to work with lovely people and have good filming experiences, so my main drive is the writing and then beyond that the people I will be surrounded by for the process.”



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    Apart from acting, you’ve also dabbled in other side projects, including the BAFTA-nominated documentary, The Eagle Huntress, of which you narrated and exec-produced. Do you think projects like these, are something you’d be more inclined to explore in the future?
    “I don’t by any means know, but I do think I know what feels good and what doesn’t with scripts. I am enjoying being part of conversations beyond acting; creative ideas and logistical thinking, but I can’t wait to get back on set again as an actor.”



    How much do you think your life has changed since Star Wars has ended? Have you finally come to terms with it?
    “January of this year was difficult, as I expected it would be. I have been all consumed with Star Wars for six years and letting that go has been wildly emotional. I have been supported so beautifully by the people around me on the journey, and am particularly grateful to have had John with me every step of the way since casting. We have had different individual paths, but there are moments when the only person that really gets it in a literal way is John [Boyega], and that has been such a blessing.”



    Before you signed on as Rey, you were previously working in a London pub earning minimum wage. In fact, you mentioned on television you did “every job there was”, including an elf in a shopping mall. Where do you think you cultivated this work ethic from?
    “My mum has worked consistently since she left university. I am surrounded by people who work incredibly hard. And I like working! I like the feeling of having a purpose, I like being independent, and I now get to play around in fancy dress for work!”



    Interestingly enough unlike most celebrities, you don’t indulge in social media. Why do you think social media has had such a negative impact on our generation?
    “I work in storytelling; connecting with people and communicating. I feel like people are losing the ability to do so because of constant phones in faces. Some people balance it very well, but I know from experience that it sucks my energy and focus, and these two are the very things I want to be up and in the world.”



    You mentioned in an interview that you’re currently working on liking yourself, and feeling like where you needed to be. How do you achieve that on a day-to-day basis, outside of acting?
    “It isn’t always easy, and I definitely don’t always succeed, but I try! I try and do my best to enjoy the things that come my way, I try to be open with people around me so everyone is on the same page, and I am constantly aware of how lucky I am and don’t take that for granted. Everything isn’t rainbows all the time but I think the effort alone is good.”



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    How do you keep yourself grounded and centred, in light of all the successes you’ve achieved?
    “I never thought it was me alone that did anything. I have been surrounded, personally and professionally, by the most brilliant people. Standing on the shoulders of giants!”



    What’s next on the cards for you?
    “I am really enjoying just resting but have been reading some brilliant books and scripts and am excited for things that are slowly coming together. I never like to jinx anything though, so until I am on the way to a shoot I can’t believe that it’s real.”



    Editor-in-Chief: Natasha Kraal

    Interview: Amy Yasmine

    Hair: Dayaruci at The Wall Group using Oribe

    Make-up: Kelly Cornwell at NylonArtists using Eyebrow Queen

    Manicure: Robbie Tomkins at Premier Hair

    Retouching: Monica Chamorro

    Styling Assistant: Julia Prestlien

    Photo Assistants: Clare Chong; Chris Chudleigh

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    Those fake freckles look awful. Put eyebrow products were they belong.

    Yeah. That was debate we had back then. Like literally, everytime we got together talking about SW. Sigh.
     
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    Mwwwaaaahhhhaaa (emperor)(emperor)(emperor) :cool::cool::cool: ;););) (yoda)(yoda)(yoda):p
     
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    Hope Marvel puts out a Rey mini. Written by Charles Soule, Chris Yost or Marjorie Liu. They are very good at writing strong powerful and graceful women who are good at leadership. They also are good at writing about the messiness of life and the human condition.
     
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    Daisy Ridley: “It was probably nice for Mark to be more like the Luke of old [in Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker]. Which I think J.J. [Abrams] felt like he really wanted that. It was nice to feel – and even in the scene – to feel really comforted that like ‘Luke Skywalker is here.'” (April 9, 2020)

    Daisy Ridley: “[Reaction]’s changed film by film honestly, like 98% it’s so amazing, this last film it was really tricky. January was not that nice. It was weird, I felt like all of this love that we’d sort of been shown the first time around, I was like ‘Where’s the love gone?’ I watched the documentary, the making-of, this week, and it’s so filled with love; and I think it’s that tricky thing of when you’re part of something that is so filled with love and then people…You know, everyone’s entitled to not like something but it feels like it’s changed slightly. I think in general that’s because social media and what have you.” “If I went to a film and didn’t like it, I just wouldn’t tweet about it. But it’s such a conversation and it always has been. I guess now conversations are just more public, so there’s stuff I wouldn’t have seen, but honestly trying to scroll through my news feed in January and trying not to see Star Wars stuff, I’d see headlines and be like ‘Oh my god this is so upsetting.’ It’s been tricky but then it’s having that thing of I feel really proud of it, and I’m so thrilled to be part of it. But it’s a funny thing.” (April 11, 2020)
     
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    For me it felt more like "this is Mark Hamill cosplaying as the Skywalker dude". To be honest I would have cut this scene. It was really unnecessary.
     
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    Luke changed by the end of TLJ. I only saw TESB once, so I can't remember the details of how he behaved. But I actually liked TLJ and TROS Luke. I liked his interaction with Rey telling her what she had to do. He did not feed her some Pollyanaish speach. He told her that the Jedi would be with her, but it was going to be tough.

    Maybe because I am older and I found that he had more gravitas and he had more depth than some flaky 20 something. But that's me.

    TFA is a more straightforward action movie and it is essentially a rehash of ANH. I actually found it boring. Loved Daisy as Rey but. But came out of the theater shrugging my shoulders saying so what? It also profited from the SW drought, and the ideas that it would feature the Original cast. I wonder how it would have faired if it had been something completely new. Say they had gone straight for KOTOR era plot along with the politics.

    TLJ and TROS are a bit more cerebral and character driven. Obviously there are not of people who want that. And of course many of the complaints have to do with the fact that people's personal narrative choices weren't used. Which I just find absurd.


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikka...pisode-ix-the-rise-of-skywalker/#27af351f627c


    I hated Captain Marvel, but I didn't jump on every forum, every YT video comment section and kvetch about it. No one wants to hear a broken record, and honestly there are more productive things to do in life. Also why give time and attention to something you dislike? There are people in this world who if they didn't have something to complain about they have nothing to say at all.
     
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    good for daisy but i read that she feels a particular way for the ROS and i feel for her.
     
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    So I came across this little Gem last week and had to share it:



    Fully elucidates the journey story of our gracious queen, and why she truly is worthy of our worship.
     
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    Had a thought today-

    A lot's been made about how Kylo originally told Rey her parents were nothing, before revealing the truth in TROS.

    Some even have gone so far as to call this a "plot hole".

    But here's the thing- TROS was the first time jump in the series. Doesn't it stand to reason that Kylo could discover more about Rey during the year + between TLJ and TROS, and that in the first week that he knew her (TFA/TLJ) he was probably just grasping at straws?

    Especially since Palpatine first became more active during that time.

    And especially especially because the movie pretty explicitly shows the moment Palps reveals this to Kylo?
     
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    To counter that thought though, because we had to be shown Palpatine and Kylo talking about Rey, it goes to demonstrate that it wasn't discussed before. (Fact check me if I'm wrong, however. I've only seen TROS twice, and that was over five months ago).

    Palpatine mentions to Kylo that there's more to Rey's story. If Kylo already knew this, then it wouldn't be painted as obvious, or even that Kylo DIDN'T know.

    I won't call it a "plot-hole," but the shiftdoes create a lot of narrative dissonance that plot-holes also cover, and I think that's what people are latching onto. Distinction without difference, I guess.

    Kylo knew what Rey knew in TLJ, and then he knew what Palpatine knew in TROS. That in and of itself isn't a problem (see Jon Snow's heritage and entire backstory from the eyes of the Catlyn and Eddard Stark respectively). The problem is that the message about legacy, heritage, bloodline, and the importance that should be placed on it becomes muddled in the process. That's where the narrative dissonance people pick up on comes in.

    That does raise some other questions I hadn't thought about before, like if Palps had enough power and clout to build a new army/empire and enough power to announce his return to the world (bad move for the time, btw. He could have gotten a LOT of mileage out of sneak attacks and playing both sides like he did in the previous trilogies), why didn't he send anyone to try and capture Rey? ...or maybe he did and that took place in between movies. Either way, that's a nitpick, not a gripe or plot hole.
     
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    From an in-universe perspective... yes, that's probably the moment Kylo found out, when Palpatine told him. Though that's not necessarily to say that he hadn't also figured out she wasn't a "nobody" at that point, either. There's years of EU material on the way that can either confirm or contradict that, I'm sure.

    Out of universe... I understand the frustration at the "mixed message", and I certainly agree to a certain extent. "Rey Nobody" could've been effective.

    But that's not what we got. Recontextualizing the trilogy as a whole, I see it a regression like this:

    TFA- Rey "Somebody". Rey (and many audience members) have hope that she's here to carry on the legacy of our heroes

    TLJ- Rey "Nobody". Rey finds out that she's not related to our heroes, and instead must forge her own legacy.

    TROS- Rey "Palpatine"- Rey finds out the absolute worst possible truth. Not only is she not a descendant of heroes, but is the progeny of the sith.

    TROS- Rey "Skywalker"- Rey, having discovered her Palpatine heritage, rejects it. She's free to choose her own identity, taking on "Skywalker" as a symbolic continuation of the Jedi.


    So really, things get darker and darker for Rey, who once wanted to belong- until finally, she takes her place as a Skywalker. I know some think that this somehow disempowers her, but I really don't know if that's fair. Rey specifically chose to be a Skywalker (even though it's a fair enough criticism that male writers put her there in the first place). In the end, she still did forge her own destiny, and it's a shame fans don't see it that way.
     
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    I'm pretty sure the timeskip between TLJ and TROS was about one year...or do you mean our-world three years worth of materials? Because I can definitely see that happening!

    Agreed, Rey choosing her own name and finding her family is one of the most powerful messages the ST could have done. (I DO disagree on which name she chose due to how the story went about, but alas, no use crying over that.)


    The problem for me is that it felt like TFA and TLJ worked together for Rey to discover the worst possible truth:

    In TFA, Maz outright tells Rey that the people she's waiting on aren't coming back, something Rey is in denial about. (Rey "Maybe," since we didn't really know enough about what happened and JJ's Mystery Box were working to obscure what happened.)

    In TLJ Kylo forces Rey to admit that she has no place in the story, that she's a nobody. To Rey THIS is the most crushing thing she could hear. To a girl who spent her life hearing about these fantastical tales of families and powers and myths, dreaming of being in those times...and to find yourself in the middle of those exact stories, that has to mean something, right? And to find out that it means nothing, that she doesn't belong, that she's not known even here...well, to me that was Rey's darkest moment as well has her most heroic. By the credits, Rey has put her fear of not being known behind her. She's did the right thing and at the end of the movie was welcomed by Finn, comforted by Leia, and acknowledged by Poe, signifying that Rey is known, and people do care about her. Rey was chosen by the Force despite (or maybe because of) her darker impulses, not because of her bloodline.


    TROS tears down most of this in order for Kylo to renege on his previous statement (not even bothering to say "I was wrong, I didn't know the whole truth.") so he can reveal that Rey is related to...the Big Bad. Who Rey has no connection to, fear of, or consequence knowing. This feels like the ESB twist but without knowing what made it work, and it messes up Rey's arc beyond this. Maybe if the entire galaxy was in on the secret and Rey had to deal with the consequences of THAT like Leia did in Bloodline (it's one thing to have a family secret about your grandfather being a serial killer, it's another thing for it to be forcibly posted on every social media account and branded on your identity like a Scarlet Letter). But Rey isn't really challenged by information; case and point had, she simply struggled with the Dark Side without being related to Palpatine absolutely nothing would have changed.* Had Palpatine said "I choose you as my heir," and there was no other relation, nothing would have changed. But now because Rey is related to Palpatine, all of her power, conflict, and choices are reframed to relate around him.


    This actually takes away from Rey, because Rey's history becomes less about how that affects Rey and more about how it binds her and Kylo together (students of Luke who eventually left, grandchildren of the most evil people in the galaxy, have a parent-child relationship with by Han and Leia, both struggle with the Dark Side).

    But I feel like I'm getting off-topic here. Sorry about that. I guess to TL;DR this:
    TFA - Rey "Maybe," and looking forward will net one more than looking behind.
    TLJ - Rey "Nobody," and one chooses and challenges their own fate, not what family has.
    TROS - Rey "Palpatine" AND Rey "Skywalker," with "surprise, all your power comes from your bloodline, but you still get to choose your own family."

    So it should work, and it almost works, but then the final movie takes the swerve that nearly cripples the entire theme.


    Edit: And then don't forget that Rey finds out/Kylo tells her that Palpatine had her parents (who hid her away to hide her FROM Palpatine) killed...so Rey's darkness skipped an entire generation and her parents were good guys all along! Which would mean in most other stories Rey would feel a connection to them, not Palpatine, and desire to live up to their sacrificial nature.


    *This is also true for Luke. His arrogance, impatience, and whiny behavior would still have been his fatal flaws, but with the added wrinkle of his relationship to both Anakin and Vader beforehand add a wrinkles to this.
     
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    Again, I mostly agree.

    I think where it works is Rey's purpose. She finds purpose in living on and (hopefully) restarting the Jedi, in bringing down the First Order, and in generally doing good. She rejects her Palpatine bloodline to do so.

    Her powers... meh, I guess there's no getting around the fact that the movie kinda explicitly plays up the Dragon Ball Z power levels of the force, and that's a bad thing in my opinion. But ultimately I'm still far more interested in her purpose.
     
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    To backtrack a bit here, regarding the reveal of Rey’s parentage and the supposed “plot holes” that it may or may not create, it’s also worth noting that Kylo is not the one to tell Rey who her parents are/aren’t in The Last Jedi. He provokes her, to which she replies, “They were nobody.” This piece of dialogue could have two meanings. On one hand, it could be slightly extradiegetic in that Rey is telling the audience they were nobody important (i.e. she’s not a Skywalker or Solo). But on the other hand –– and my interpretation of it –– is that it was simply her dismissing Kylo altogether and not wanting to talk about her parents at all. It’s almost as if “they were nobody” was Rey’s way of telling Kylo to forget about it and drop the conversation. Otherwise, it doesn’t make much sense because even though she obviously has certain expectations of who her parents may or may not be at that point in the trilogy, she never explicitly states that she’s waiting for Luke, Leia or Han to reveal themselves as her parents. The only allusion to it is when Kylo taunts her on Ahch-To and refers to Han as “the father [she] never had.” But in retrospect, the expectation that Rey is related to someone we already know was created by the audience and is seldom implied by other characters. Because we didn’t know the full story, though, we all speculated and took certain details to try and piece together our own theories.

    Once The Rise of Skywalker rolls around, though, we realize that Rey is, in fact, a “somebody” –– she’s just not related to the heroes that many of us thought she would be related to. I do see the frustration with the “plot hole” there, particularly because I am 100% positive that Rian Johnson wrote The Last Jedi with the intent that Rey would be a “nobody” because it was the hardest thing for her to hear, and was something she now had to overcome. The Rise of Skywalker does sort of flip that on its head a bit, which is interesting, but it doesn’t really retcon anything. The only thing that you could really argue it changes is Kylo’s line about Rey’s parents being “filthy junk traders who sold [her] off for drinking money.” Honestly, while it is a bit of a messy clarification, it’s very likely that it was either a misjudgment on Kylo’s part when he saw whatever he saw of Rey’s parents, or it was just an assumption on his part. Even with The Rise of Skywalker, it isn’t really clear if Rey’s parents even left her with Unkar Plutt or if she was simply taken by him. It’s possible that what Kylo thought he saw was Rey’s parents giving her away for “drinking money,” when in reality, it was in exchange for her protection. It’s also possible that Kylo simply fabricated that part to make Rey angry and draw her to the dark side.

    The Rey Palpatine reveal is not entirely flawless in its execution, but as @cawatrooper explained so well, narratively, it did allow for a continuation in the struggles Rey faces in her journey of self-discovery, and ultimately, it does set her up for forging her own destiny. Doing so not only gives Rey’s story an (arguably) satisfying conclusion, but it gives the Skywalkers the last word and allows their story to end victorious over Palpatine, even in spite of the fact that the Skywalker bloodline has ended with the deaths of Leia and Ben.
     
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    I get what they were trying to do. Palpatine's took a Skywalker then the Skywalker's took a Palpatine. The Dark took from the light, the light took from the dark. The prequel trilogy protagonist took a new name, the original trilogy protagonist stayed the same. The sequel trilogy protagonist took a new name. It's scales, it balance. Not sure that is what George wanted but I think that this is Disney's way of projecting balance. Not saying I agree with it but I get what they were doing.
     
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