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Main Rey/Daisy Ridley Episode IX thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by LadyMusashi, Jul 5, 2018.

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    This is really really bad :eek: :p


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    New date for Asteroid Hunters, nice one to take the kids to if they are still of school. :cool:

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    He didn't have enough man power/trained officers to go it alone with just the Sith. With the combination of the Sith loyalists, the ships and the FO, they could easily over take the galaxy. Especially if everyone was so cowed into obedience. So there was no need to do a sneak attack. They already had the overwhelming power. Even in TROS the Resistance doesn’t take out all the ships. They just take out the FO ships that would be needed to take out the Sith fleet.




    That’s a very interesting interpretation. But I never saw it that way.

    I just saw her needing a parent belonging and family as an affirmation that she was loved and wanted period.


    “That she was somebody.” That she wasn’t so un-wanted and unworthy and just a straight up burden that her parents would sell a 5 year old child to a junk trader and pretty much leave her to fend for herself. I think that Rey would have been content if her parents were just junk traders who left her with Unkar to watch over/put to work and with the intention on coming back to get her. But were unable to do so because they were killed or died in an accident. As long as she understood that she was loved. And she wasn’t abandoned because she was ‘a bad child’ (which is a common refrain of children who have been given up for adoption) and defective. I don’t think she cared about lineage. Which was why she did not think twice about offing Palpatine. Grandfather or not. He killed her parents and turned her childhood into a living hell and caused death and misery to countless people. She wanted him dead.


    Kylo’s crude speech to her in TLJ about her parents being nobody. Was to tell her that she ‘had no place in the story’ she had no obligation to the Resistance and didn’t owe them anyone. And she should join him because he has power and royal heritage. He was a big deal, she wasn’t going to get a better offer and she should join him. As many Reylo podcasts have pointed out, it’s a play on Darcy’s first proposition to Elizabeth in Pride and Prejudice.

    It’s also plays to Unkars speech to Rey in TFA novelization where he tells s


    “You are..you are…,You have nothing. You are nothing!”

    And Rey responds with:

    “On the contrary. I just told you who I am . As to what I have , that would be my freedom and my pride.”

    Sure Rey wants acceptance. But she learns to accept herself for who she is and what she accomplishes. She doesn’t need validation from others. She got that from herself from what she achieved.




    My interpretation was that Kylo only saw the memories of in Rey’s mind and probably did some digging with Plutt (I can’t remember if he was alive by TLJ). For whatever reason Plutt just told him the story that Rey was sold to him and didn’t elaborate.

    And it’s unlikely that Rey would have known or remembered who her parents were. I remember an interview with Johnson after the release of TLJ that he said that Kylo is


    From the goodbye scene in TROS, I got the impression that her parents decided to hide her in plain sight, gave her to Plutt, paid him to see that she wasn’t seriously harmed and told her to put her to work. With the intent that they would come back for her. But Oochie caught up with them and had them murdered and Rey was stuck on Jakku.

    I suspected that with the ‘Oxbridge’ accent and mannerisms she came from patrician home. But I did not think she was linked or needed to be part of the entire franchise.

    Although in retrospect I get it now. Apart from the wonderful lesson on not needing your bloodline to define you and deciding the type of person you want to be. It would have been too complicated to shoe horn another back story of her coming from another family into the series. So she had to be a Palpatine.
     
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    Rian wasn't doing anything with Rey. This 'nobody' and 'nothing' was Rian sticking his finger to the audience. This undermining confidence theory & or drawing her to the dark side idea to me doesn't hold stack. That's why JJ brought Palpatine back. RJ was using Rey to progress Kylo's story. There was no thought of the Rey narrative. Instead of showing Rey escape Snoke's star destroyer he chose to show Kylo waking up instead. When JJ came back he switched back on to Rey and Kylo furthered Rey's story. So linking her personality and giving her a hook they needed a narrative to push Rey forward, that's when Palpatine come into the equation. Yes it comes out of nowhere but how else could TROS pull Rey back into the story. The fail came in TLJ because Rey story became lost and secondary to Kylo, so I can't fault JJ for making her a Palpatine. Sure it's cheesy but it essentially makes her a lost princess and we all know how Disney like their princesses. I mean she calls her self a Skywalker but she is actually the Empress who likes living the rough life.

    She's Empress Rey Skywalker
     
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    Easy. Just work with what you got. Rey has to accept her unimportant lineage to focus on more important stuff, like saving the galaxy.

    It would have been the perfect story. Rey Nobody becomes the good heroine who everyone knows, while Kylo Ren - who's part of a very important family - is the evil villain who will be beat and forgotten (because Ben rises).
     
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    Redeeming 'Ben' would have just made Rey a passenger just like in TLJ. She need more narrative. JJ was completely correct in giving Rey something more meaty to anchor her into the heart of the movie. Her story lacks enough as it is. Making the movie into the Return of Ben Solo would have made Rey a side character. As for family blood, I have said many times I don't care for eugenics and blood lines. It's irrelevant to me. That might sound contradictory but I don't care about Palpatine being a light sided champion. I don't care if the Skywalker's are dark. I don't care if an anybody can rise. So I don't care that the Skywalker's are dead.

    I am behind what JJ did 100%
     
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    Regarding Rey being left on Jakku, has anyone considered that maybe Rey wasn’t given to Unkar Plutt, but he found her instead? There really isn’t anything that specifically states her parents handed her over to him. We just see them leave her on Jakku in the flashback in The Rise of Skywalker, and in The Force Awakens, she’s with Unkar Plutt as they’re leaving. It’s possible that her parents hid her with the intent of coming back, but Unkar found her and took her in the midst of all the chaos. Therefore, her parents technically wouldn’t be responsible for leaving her with a monster like Unkar.
     
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    It really isn't difficult and it's right there. You have a girl who has grown up in a time where all you hear about is Luke Skywalker this, Han Solo that, Princess Leia this...she's nobody. She can't possibly be important. This is literally the text of TLJ. So TROS could have just been about Rey Nobody carving her own path under the light that was Leia & Luke (we are what they grow beyond). Not needing a name to be important to the story. Rey accepting who she is and growing to see she doesn't need to be Leia or Luke but needs to be Rey.
     
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    I don't see how these two go together. By making her a Palpatine he made her the heart of the movie, but then "blood lines are irrelevant to me" - doesn't make much sense imo.
     
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    I did say it was contradictory.

    But as I have said she needed some type of anchor in the story, otherwise there is no story. Only the 'girlfriend of' which is quite frankly degrading. Would I have had her as Palpatine after TFA? Nope. After TLJ? She had to have something but I don't agree with it. I understand why they went that route, am glad they gave her some grounding in the plot, it makes sense, in that regard. Out of field, yep, I agree. Did I want it? Nope. Did I like it or agree with it? Nope again. But do I understand why? Yep. Am I glad they did that? For the sake of Rey's story, then yes.

    Did I enjoy TLJ? Actually very much so, apart from one scene. I have a copy here and I have watched that numerous of times. Hell, I even went to the cinema. It's probably going to be the last film I will see for a great length of time due to the pandemic, perhaps years and I am happy at that. I am probably one of the happiest posters on here in regards to Star Wars. I got mostly everything wanted, I can't complain.
     
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    the point was that Ben and her were a dyad of the force, that's why Palpatine was interested in her and that's what gave her some grounding to the plot I guess? I mean it wasn't explored much on how Rey's world changed after she found out that she was a Palpatine or so on, for the plot it was needed that they both could create this dyad that's all.

    Because of that I think they could have done that dyad thing without her being a Palpatine and Rey Nowhere had worked quite as well for the plot.
     
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    No Rian had a definite purpose in the whole nobody issue:

    https://www.looper.com/102839/last-jedi-director-reveals-reys-parentage-still-open/
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    I don't think so. In the separation scene with her parents (disguised as junk traders), her father says "You'll be safe here." and it then cuts to Rey yelling to the ship to come back. Also Rey is only 5 years old when she was left. There's no way she could have survived on her own and her parents would have known that. Also in the supplementary books for TFA she says that Plutt sent goons after anyone who 'interfered with her'. She says it's because she's his best scavenger. But I assume that was not how it started out. The parents just paid Plutt to keep an eye on her and put her to work. And as she got older and started making him money (and he probably developed a bit of a soft spot for her as well) he just continued to protect her.
     
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    Ah, I kind of forgot about the “you’ll be safe here” line –– good catch!

    Personally, I think it would’ve been interesting if Lor San Tekka was somehow connected to Rey and/or was sort of watching her from a distance, the same way Obi-Wan was with Luke in A New Hope. I always felt like everything being on Jakku in the first act of The Force Awakens was a bit too convenient, but then again, I guess the Force works in mysterious ways. :p

    The Force Awakens novelization also includes that bit where Rey hears a man’s voice telling her, “I’ll come back for you, sweetheart, I promise,” and seeing as how that doesn’t contradict anything in the films, I’m assuming it’s still canon. If that’s the case, I guess that also indicates her parents did leave her with every intention of coming back for her. Technically, I suppose it would still work if they just left her wherever, but I feel like that line makes more sense with how you’re interpreting what happened, that her parents paid Unkar Plutt to watch her until they returned.
     
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    Just messing about here with this picture. I zoomed in on the left arm of the throne. Is that Dark Rey's sabre resting there?
     
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    Looks like her saber.

    Btw, what a cool picture!
     
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    Definitely looks like it to me!
     
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    So she did what Palpatine told her - she took the throne xD that's the most Palpatine- like she has ever looked, that grin...
     
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    This is just a quick post. I sat down to watch the newly released Netflix drama ' Cursed '. And honestly just stopped watching half way in to the 2nd episode . It was just awful and boring and poorly written. Badly acted. The lead Katherine Langford is supposed to be this queen in the making. But given the way she behaves you'd never know it, the way she runs from problems despite being familiar with her powers since she was a child
    Contast with Daisy as Rey who was brave and stood up towards adversity. Langford 's character was not a good excuse of heroism but Daisy 's as Rey is.
    It's a true testament of good art and how a character can be a vessel to inspire and heal and help people to grow
     
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    Nice to see Rey front and centre of the Skywalker saga where she should be.
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    Rey is such an amazing character, not only beautiful, but also very strong
     
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    Yeah she is. Rey is one of my four 'girl crushes'. I have many women/characters I admire. But I have four specific ones that I have an emotional attachment to because I have been able to watch them grow and develop into the people they were meant to be. One of the things I love about Rey is her class and kindness. She never allowed herself to be angry, mean or bitter. And she has no need to throw her weight around or bully others.


    I just finished watching bit from TROS, the part where Rey heals the snake and where she knocks down Zoorii and her gang. I was really taken by this scene (1:12):



    Amazing that although she didn't have to, Rey was polite and asked Zoorii for her help. I had a rough couple of weeks, having had to deal with petty small minded people who think being snippy or sarcastic is a sign of strength. It isn't. It's a sign of weakness. So re-watching the scene with Rey, I was reminded of what true strength and power is.
     
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