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This is interesting because I don’t see it this way at all. For me the story has made it very clear that Kylo could defeat Rey if he wanted... The point of the story is that Kylo is letting Rey become stronger for motives of his own.

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But that is precisely the whole point. Rey doesn’t give herself enough credit. RJ observed that aspect in her character in TFA and explored it in TLJ. Rey needed to learn her own strength, not suddenly become Rambo.

 

If we believe the recent MSW leak:

Spoiler

Kylo isn't able to kill Rey, therefore he needs his mask back.

...then this isn't the case at all.

I agree with @GingerMook, Kylo should win. This would also a perfect story telling. Kylo wins the final duel BUT can't kill Rey => his redemption is completed.

 

Right. Rather than focus on her fighting, they had to show Rey saving the Resistance because she hasn't done that across the two films yet.

 

I know what you mean and that could definitely be the case, but going by what the two films have shown so far Kylo has no interest in harming Rey, but rather make her an ally. He expressed that desire in TFA and again in TLJ.

 

How exactly did she save the Resistance at the end of TFA? It was Han, Finn and Chewie that saved them with help from Poe and company. Rey was rescued. Granted she had to stand up to Kylo to escape, but she didn't save anyone but her and Finn.

In TLJ, she did the rescuing this time, after making a huge mistake trusting Kylo.

 

Um....did you read my post. That's exactly what I was saying. Through both TFA and TLJ, it isn't until the end of TLJ that Rey has a chance to help save the Resistance.

 

He knocked Rey unconscious in TFA twice (once to abduct her, another time he threw her at a tree), tied her up and tortured her, fought her after being ordered to bring her to Snoke, in brought her to Snoke to be tortured for the location of Luke Skywalker in the next movie, verbally abused her, attacked her friends and ordered the Resistance be put to death ("no quarter, no prisoners"), ordered she be blown up in the Millennium Falcon, told Luke he'd destroy her like he was going to kill him, but hey, other than THAT, what a swell guy!








Attempted vehicular homicide is fun for the whole family

 

Oh I read it wrong. Thought there was sarcasm.

 

I agree! I like it

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One of my favorite quotes in the whole movie..."blow that piece of junk out of the sky!"

and...

"Oh yeah...they HATE that ship!"

hahahaha

 

Did I say he was a swell guy? 0-0
No I didn't.
I said that Kylo had no interest in killing Rey. Nothing else.
As for "blow that piece of junk out of the sky", " no quarter, no prisoners" and "I will destroy her" it sounds more like angst and bravado than anything serious to me...
I could be wrong.

 

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That's the way I see it also and Hux did think so too, that's why we have Hux mocking him and being nervous, because it's too obvious Ren doesn't think clearly when it comes to Rey and this will lead the Fo into a disaster.

 

Could you imagine if the theory about Rey being a clone of Luke's hand were true?

And Kylo found out. It would be quite funny.

 

Taken from the Finn thread

Rey doesn't develop hubris. Rey believes in the best of everyone. Finn, Han, Luke, Kylo... all of them of are the beneficiaries of her unjustified optimism. Given enough time she idealized all of them and each of them fell short of that idealism (some obviously worse than others). She idealizes others because, each time, she is looking for a hero that will save the galaxy. Her evolution is when she finally looks within herself and realizes, she is the hero she has been looking for in everyone else. I'd argue there is no hubris to her.

Actually I think it is family she's looking for. When she goes to Luke she isn't looking for a father figure, she's looking for help to understand what's happening to her. I think we can further infer that it is family that is the focus here because Kylo is her opposite, and he definitely sees "family" as weakness and tries to eliminate it. Which makes sense because we know Snoke told him that it was the familial connection that caused Vader to stumble in his walk on the dark side, not belonging, but family. It was his son, his family that finally snapped him out of it.

 

I don’t know if we understand hubris in the same way. Rey idealising others does not make her less susceptible to misread a situation and believe she is more capable than she really is to go against “the gods” ( in this case the god would be Luke and his warning “this is not going to go the way you think.”) Rey is certainly the hero of this story and she indeed realises “this is her fight”, however she is not ready yet. Her going to Kylo was a precipitous act that had the opposite effect she wanted: Kylo is now more entrenched in the dark side than ever.

As for family, Rey seeks support and nurture in Luke (more than an answer to the ancestral reason why she possesses the force) but she does not find either. This vacuum mixed with Kylo’s intervention is what makes her regress and indulge in a fantastical narrative about her real parents (even though she knows they are dead), that’s why she goes into the dark side cave. Rey values family because of the unconditional support and love it offers, something that she is missing in her life and feels it would give her confidence and strength. Kylo on the other hand sees family, in this case both literal and figurative, as a weakness. As far as I can see, his position as Rey’s opposite in this matter still works.

 

i don't agree with the last part. I think he's sick of all of it. he's angry, petulant and pissed off with the whole universe. I think he is so ridiculously petulant that i think he could veer away from the dark side at the drop of a hat.. but he needs a reason to want to.

He thinks he has an agenda.. but i doubt he knows what it is. The Jedi are wrong, the Sith are wrong, family is wrong, Pizzas without pineapple are wrong (ok that's mine).. everything is wrong, but he needs to work out what's right. or rather.. he needs to work out what will make him happy.

it matches our lives so closely if you see it from my (possibly warped) perspective. how many of us spend all day thinking about what's wrong.. what's pissing us off? what would make us happy? what do we need to do to put a smile on our own faces? and even if we know deep down what would make us happy.. how many of us are brave enough to take that path?

Rey offered her life for the chance to save Ben.. which she thought would result in saving the galaxy. yes - it absotivalootely (yes it's a word! ) was a precipitous act @Kylocity , and whilst it may not have had the immediate result that she had hoped for... it has made a life changing impact on Ben. He will have spent more time thinking about Rey in between TLJ and TROS than any First Order rubbish.

all my humble opinion obviously
only 6 months to go until someone quotes this post and shows me how utterly wrong i was

 

I agree. She does seem to have made a big impact on Ben. Ben/Kylo says to her: "You come from nothing. You're nothing. But not to me.". Was he trying to trick her? To seduce her? Was he being serious? Hard to tell. To me it felt sincere.

 

what he said to her during that conversation.. i don't know if it was all true. as you said - hard to tell.

watch his eyes during those scenes - both before the throne room fight and after. the eye contact shows me how sincere he was.. his eyes are glued to Rey's eyes.
tells me everything i need to know about his sincerity towards her.

i'm not pushing Reylo.. just his sincerity. whether it's respect, admiration, fascination, sexual.. whatever.. there is something there when i see him looking at Rey.

 

He was definitely trying to seduce her. To the dark side.