The Mandalorian S1E4

But it wasn't unnecessary. Not liking the outcome doesn't yield the whole fight "unnecessary".

Or, it could be none of those things and just to show you how unforgiving this world the Mano lives is and how one slip up means game over for him and Gizmoda.

He's human. He can be caught off guard. He can be lulled into a false sense of security.

Nothing about it was "woke" and that's honestly just something people say as a lame excuse to try and deflect their own biases.

 

@Kato Sai, please don't go. You have added so much to these discussions. Without you adding valuable content to our squibbles and squabbles I'd not have ventured onto these boards. We all have a right to our opinions. I've been told by father, brother, son and both husbands that my opinions don't matter. I can come here and test out some ideas about a great TV show that came along and blew my socks off. A show I'd've not watched if I'd not seen the spoiler. So, in some cases the Spoiler to a program is a "wow, I want to see that.!!!"
In Peace, Joy and Love. So, lets all watch this incredible new show, The Mandalorian, toss thoughts out about what's happening to our guy, the Kid and all entities passing through. I want to know what other viewers think, because I don't see the scene the same way you do. My personal interests direct the way I look at a scene and what I notice.

 

@Kato Sai, don't leave! You are great part of this forum and a great contributor. I love to read your comments.

This is a place to share ideas and to have open discussion, everyone let's be friendly to each other and respect the others and their opinion.

 

my thinking that it was unnecessary has nothing to do with the outcome. Given that that they fought I actually think handled it very well. I don’t think it was some complete “feminist” throw away scene because #1 it ended in a draw (vs having the female character dominate) and #2 they actually allowed and showed the male character landing some pretty brutal punches (normally that sort of thing would be off limits).

So the fight was handled very well.

I still don’t think it had a point. I’m not sure anyone who ever saw any Star Wars or even the first three episodes of this show needed a lesson in how lawless and rough GFFA can be. If the fight was real and survival based why didn’t anyone pull the trigger at the end? If she thought he was hunting her (hence the running and eventual ambush) she should have pulled the trigger. If he thought she was going to kill him, he should have pulled the trigger.

I know the answer is if either pulls the trigger the episode doesn’t happen... but it just makes the fight seem pointless.

I’m not anti woman or even anti strong woman lead. Aside from the fight I really like Cara’s character. Part of my appreciation was how she acted and was treated like an equal by Mando. He respected her, she held her own in battle (physically and bravery wise) and she wasn’t cheapened by making her Mandos love interest. She was a bad ass warrior. Period.

She could still have been all those things without that fight scene. That’s why it felt forced.

I don’t hate the scene, but I can absolutely see (for the reasons above) why some people had problems with it.

 

The fight was fun. Period. Next question.

We're so obsessed with a character's abilities rather than the situations handed to him/her.

That's boring. Why would sports games be played if we just judged who was going to win by level of talent? Because that's boring. Why don't they ever call the cops or do anything smart in horror movies? Because that would be boring.

You know who's obsessed with his power level? Darth Vader, a dark side fool that lived a tragic and terrible life until he was willing to let that go and save his son. His grandson? Doing the same thing and is alone and looked down upon by even sniveling General Hux.

 

We have more in common than we have differences. That this shot is the most adorable thing ever is something we can probably all agree with!

 

Same here @Kato Sai.





One question.
When Mado was in front of the mudhorn, he was saved by BabyYoda, who obviously had perceived the danger.
Why didn't bY not intervene in the fight against Cara Dune ? Because he felt Mando was not in danger ?

 

Random thought: Since no one knows what he looks like, Mando could make a lot of all his troubles go away just by removing his helmet....

 

I believe the explanation is in who the Mandolorian is. House Wren removes the helmets all the time. however I believe the death watch, does not. There is a difference from one mandolorian to another. Also for what its worth, Sabine removed her helmet around family and close friends. When they were out, it was normally on, but that might be my mind playing tricks on me.

Sabine's Helmet was spotted on set for the mandolorian at some point in time. We have not seen it yet, but knowing Feloni it would make sense if eventually our Mando character tries to give baby yoda to Sabine and Ashoka looking for Ezra. Ashoka could provide more training and in this series we could have a live action Sabine who simply never removes her helmet. Can still use the same voice actor as well since we could replace the live actors voice in post.

 

@Kato Sai, this is not the way. I have spoken.

 

FYI don't go to the mountains where there is no internet for Thanksgiving. All you will do is lament that you can't watch Disney+.

Finally watched the episode once. My thoughts:

It was old-school Star Wars with some good-hearted somewhat corney humor thrown into a western. Not bad if you wanted some nolgastic feelings.

Dune is a ex-special forces Shock Trooper. I will speculate that she is from a planet that has high-gravity, given her physique, which makes her even more dangerous. Also she is a deserter, she thinks she is fighting for her life. It was a good fight between 2 skilled warriors.

I loved that they started showing what the Mandorlian helmets' (buy'ce) are capable of. Please more of this.

The Klatooinians were cool. The leader appeared to have a "slug thrower" type weapon.

My only nitpick: why steath into the camp and not take the AT-ST right then and there?

Can't wait to watch it again.

 

It's entirely possible Gizmoda doesn't know exactly how he did it. More of a rushed reaction to save someone who saved him.

It had a very clear point of adding the level of threats the Mando faces wherever he goes. It added the distrust everyone has. He cannot relax. He cannot go to a backwoods farming planet without running into potential danger.

It builds Dune as a somewhat untrusting but worthy ally. Instead of a Robin, she's a Nightwing. More or less an equal not an underling.

It further develops the Mando as a flawed figure. He relied too heavily on his devices in the fight and each time it put him in a compromised position. Trusting his scanner to track Dune over just being observant. Resorting to the flame thrower (an obvious Mandalorian go to, Dune seemingly expected it) rather than just looking for an advantage. When he fought the Trandoshans, he was just being hyper-vigilant. You see them jump above him and he reacts. He doesn't resort to using his gadgets until he must. Just as Luke had to trust the force, the Mando has to trust himself.

 

Spoiler: Not really because it's a spoiler, but I don't want my post to focus on this

Huh, didn't really expect that fight to be what people were talking about here.

I mean, I've read a couple of pages of posts, but ultimately all I can glean from it is for some reason people find it unnecessary.

But is it? I mean, it drives the story forward at least, right?

Let's remove it from all specific context:
Hero arrives at location.
Location is claimed by another.
They fight.
Come to fight a greater, common enemy.
Hero and the other come to terms, agree both can occupy same space.
Interloper arrives!
The other stops the interloper from attacking hero, but hero can no longer stay there. Other gets what they originally fought for, when they no longer want it.


Look, there have been action scenes in The Mandalorian so far that have been much less integral to the story. The giant ice beast, the Trandoshans, etc.

So while I wouldn't label anyone here, I think that specifically calling out this one in which a woman proves herself equal to a man does seem like a pretty thinly veiled criticism.

Not saying the scene totally beyond reproach, but the way it's being focused on is mighty suspect.

And for the record, complaining about "woke culture" is always super lame, but quadruppaly so when this is the first major female character the show has had so far (the armorer is legit, but it's a bit of a stretch to consider her "major" so far).

Anyway...

I really liked the episode. Yeah, Seven Samurai has been done to death in and out of Star Wars, but it's like, fun. It's a classic story, and a deserved homage.

I think it was a breath of fresh air, moving the story out of the tighter first episodes and into something more self-contained, though I do hope the season reels it back in soon for a cohesive final few weeks.

A couple of highlight for me:
- Seeing a live action loth-cat was cool (though a bit strange off Lothal)
- That AT-ST was extra scary!'
- Cara Dune is amazing, and I hope we see more of her. In fact, I wouldn't mind a series of her while she was a Rebellion shock trooper
- Bounty Hunters are, as we could've guessed, quite clearly after Mando now. Here's hoping we see familiar faces! (was that a Gand assassin, by the way?)

Finally a few nitpicks:
- Star Wars treats planets so strangely, sometimes. Acting like Mando couldn't be on that entire world because someone else was hanging out on it seems a little absurd. Like, maybe he could've gone to another village, even something just a couple hours by ship away? Let's not forget- every single human interaction ever in all of our entire history has been on or near earth. Having two people unable to live on a planet together just seems so... eh, whatever, it's Star Wars logic. I shouldn't pick it apart too much, I'm sure context is different than us anyway.

- Like the prequels, I've noticed that this show seems to code things pretty frequently (think Watto being an obvious stereotype, Jar Jar as a minstrel, or the Neimoidians being... well, you know). Mando isn't nearly as bad, but it definitely does it. Kuii being of the land and having a very to the point catchphrase is very reminiscent of the Western trope of a Native American mentor, and I think both the architecture of this new village as well as the inhabitants of it seem similarly coded as well (the obvious Wild West town where the Guild was, as well as The Client's obvious "Nazi in Hiding" being less problematic examples).
I mean, it's rather obvious to me. Julia Jones, who plays Omera, is otherwise famous for playing other Native American roles, in Twilight and Westworld. And while I applaud when a Native American role gets cast by an actual Native American person, I think that the dearth of times this actually happens kinda shows that Mando was probably going for something specific here.
Whether or not this is a bad thing isn't really for me to say, but... Favreau et al. should probably tread a little more carefully, in my opinion.

 

Random thought: Cara Dune, being an ex-Rebel shocktrooper, would be "eligible" to appear in the upcoming Cassian Andor series...

 

Ahh, now that's a great point.

I like the way you think.

 

Let's look at the bigger picture, introducing a culture so obviously based on Native Americans 1000% opens the door for a logical jump in point to bring Wes Studi into the show

 

The Mandalorian’s Easy Guide to Not Being Tracked

Step 1 - Go to a remote planet √

Step 2 - Immediately go to the most densely populated location available and act as conspicuous as humanly possible √

Step 3 - RUN AWAY! √

The Mandalorian’s Easy Guide to Not Showing Your Face

Step 1 - Make a big deal about never taking off your helmet √

Step 2 - Immediately take off your helmet in front of an open window with people right outside √

Step 3 - Pretend that didn't just happen √

 

Is that what we were asking about:

Dyn Jarren?

 

@Kato Sai Don't leave dude. You will be missed. You are a valuable contributor and will be missed. It's always good to get different opinions.