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SPECULATION Mara Jade Skywalker and Knights of Ren theory

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by McDiarmid, Apr 22, 2018.

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Will you like it.

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  1. nightangel

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    This sounds like a great backstory, but I'm 100% sure LFL/Disney won't allow something like that for Luke. :(
     
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    But, isn't it sad, aren't those people than sad people when their story-managing has brought them ,a people who inherited Star Wars, to so misserable point, that making previous life of Luke Skywalker to be just touched with little joy, little love, is making their brain construction crumbling in to dust and is incompatible with their views?
    Rey random is not progressive but sad thinking, in the context of Star Wars mythology it is sad, that brought to concept of sad martyr unfulfilled life of previous hero, Luke, while delivered Rey as Mary Sue which will never be free from objections about her powers, whatever they wanted to minimse the problem.
    We already have thousands upon thousands of random Jedi in Lucas films, let them show anyone of them, any of those thousands upon thousands of random born Force weilders already present in Lucas films that is in its instant powers comparable to Rey random Mary Sue ?.And what a hypocrisy, and insult to a brain when they are talking about how random Force weilders should inherit "Skywalker dynasty".
    Skywalkers are only ever Force weilders that were not truly random out of thousand of random born Force weilders already there in Lucas Galaxy,because birth of Anakin Sykwalker was dirrect intervention of the Cosmic Force itself, with purpose to finally bring balance.So Force failed,bad idea with Skywalkers, and Rey random came to fix the things, anlike million of random Force wielders who were already born before her but were nothing nearly like her.
    Sad, and such would (will) be the result of this project to if Rey is truly random, or how they say it ,nobody.
     
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    I think it's probable--maybe even highly probable--that Mara Jade will show up in canon as part of the time between RoTJ and TFA. She can still go from Imperial assassin to hero. She can still fall in love with Luke. They just don't have kids, and either she dies or returns to the dark path.

    I'm not opposed to doing something different with Rey's parents. But if she's powerful because she's actually a Skywalker, it undermines the whole message of TLJ. The point of TLJ is that the Force cannot be owned by one order or one bloodline. To think so is pride.
     
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    It's fine to not want the Knights of Ren but it's hard to not see their imprint in the ST up to this point. Snoke's line is the first instance, then you have the Force vision of them in the rain with Kylo, but then you also have a line from Luke in TLJ about Kylo taking half of the students with him. There's no way that line was a mistake or coincidence. The most likely thing is that it was placed in order to leave the door open for that story going forward.
     
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    In the entire history of galaxy created by Lucas we had millions of random born Force weilders already. Actually only ever Force weilder that was not random was Anakin Skywalker, because of direct intervention of the Force, to finally bring the balance.

    The hypocrisy of Rey random idea is unbarable. Its a brainwashing of people with parole of randomness and equal chances for all like a progressive and new approach jet entire Lucas galaxy history is already comprised of millions of random born Force weilders. Except just one, one special event, creation of Anakin Skywalker, which is the central part of Star Wars.

    But whataya know random Rey , who is just the last after millions of already born random Force weilders trough the entire galaxy's history, gets the powers not by the rules by which those previous millions of random born Force weilders got it, but she actually gets grace of power comparable by its quantity and quality only to just that one and only not-random born Chosen one ever, Anakin.

    Upon this, pervertedly ,random Rey of the parole of equal chances for everyone still actually physically perfectly follows Cliché of all the women in chosen Skywalker bloodline, a beautiful white brunete, just like Schmi, Padme, Leia.

    "Shut me down" , as C3PO said in episode II.

    My brains hurts, please at least some one, just one in here please give me a hint you understanad what I want to say and how Rey random parole is genuinely ridiculous if not insulting to our brains.


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    By now you should know better. Code names mean nothing. If you take them seriously, you certainly are responsible for being disappointed.
     
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    Internet is abuzz with Mara.

    It is not important is Mara true or not. It is the fact that they used Mara to stir the pot. Deliberately.
     
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    It doesn't matter what they call her. No credence should be given to any information this early.
     
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    Actually its perfect timing to stir the pot for the first time just before start of the filming of episode IX.It is how its is done professionally and this is just first little probe of creating hype for the episode IX.

    Of course most professionall teasing is when it looks like a mysterious semi-leak or slip, or intriguing detail "they didn't wanted for us to know" or "could it be really true?"since such create most heated debates without any entanglement of the true source which is always, the same, and carries imperial code.

    And this episode really needs it. Hype for ep. IX will be artifficially maintained anlike for any film before, they will provide teasing orbital bombardments on regular basis.

    Empire has faced challenge by episode VIII results and Empire strikes back. Anyone who thinks that Empire can't deliver epic final flm of the "Skywalker saga" will be by the time of its release disillusioned and ready to wait again in line and obediently begg to be finally carried by its grace.

    Dissapointments are not Empire's concern , admiral, only results.

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    It's April now, Solo coming out in May. We know filming starts in the summer, Daisy said July / August time. We still haven't heard anything in regards to the filming locations (Mike Zeroh doesn't count). I expect between now and July time for more information to be released such as new cast members, production members and perhaps location shooting to be revealed. Am sure these next eight too twelve weeks are going to be interesting. The only counter to this however, along with genuine news am sure a lot of lies and fables will murky the waters. So like this particular article (casting of an older lady actress) it sounds about right but you still have to take all rumours with a huge grain of salt unfortunately. Not everything is gleaned with honesty these days, especially when it comes to click bait articles. I can't say I am as excited this time around due to the end of TLJ but I do look forward to hearing some new news. But yes in regards to rumours we are in silly season where anything can happen.
     
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    From the very begging of conversations about the ST the idea of bringing in a lover of Luke Skywalker was a bad idea. Mara in the EU was a great character but we were able to watch them connect, fall in love and change. Bringing Luke's old love into the ST after the best part of their story is over is beyond horrible. It denies us the romance.

    Further lets face it people are really only excited about this because they hope that after 2 films in which Rey was nobody they really want her to be a Skywalker. I have no desire for the 3rd film of the ST to retcon the 1st 2 chapters. Even if its good story I will feel lied to.

    This is a leak of a casting call. I don't take it extremely seriously. Other than they really want us talking about it.
     
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    Poor and sad is the vision if giving just a little love to Luke Skywalker during his life treathens this vision.
     
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    true :(
     
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    Gee thanks.

    I am not against Luke's happiness thanks for that implication. I am pro good stories. Luke is dead now. Introducing his long lost love who we never met isn't showing Luke any love. Its fan service for the EU that never canonizes the best parts of Mara and Luke. Watching them fall for each other. Bringing her in when Luke was alive missed the best part of the story. And puts one of the biggest elements of Luke's life not in the films. Bringing her in now not only misses the best part of the story it denies them the opportunity to reunite because Luke is dead.
     
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    Why do you think Master Jedi Luke Skywalker is truly gone?
    If nobody is truly gone , why do you need for Luke to be truly gone?

    ReyLo I sense in you.:eek:
     
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    Guess the dislike came from a Reylo shipper.
     
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    If Mara Jade was to appear, there's no way they would call the casting code name for the character MARA.
    If she was to appear she should have done it in TFA. Now it's too late.
     
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    I too am pro-good stories. But just because a character is dead doesn't mean that 1) their role in the story is done or 2) they still can't be fleshed out/expanded upon.

    One of my favorite series* does that with a character who dies. It turns out we learn a LOT more after their death. The same could be said for Luke. It could totally change how we view Luke and make re-watches of TLJ that much better. Do I think that a romance between Luke and another character would have been nice to see? Absolutely! The ST has been missing out on romance feel-good (or at least tragic) romance. But at the same time, it means that they really dodged a bullet. Romance in Star Wars is a Catch-22 at best: Han and Leia can be really cringe-worthy going back* while Anakin and Padme didn't feel natural AT ALL until TCW. Rose and Finn - despite liking the former and having the latter be one of my favorite SW characters - is awkward and rushed at BEST. There is no side of Reylo* I can endorse and still feel good about myself. Hera and Kanan made a mountain out of a molehill by trying to show the romance onscreen*. Obi-Wan and Satine maybe?

    The point is that romance is hard for Star Wars on the big and little screens, and maybe by not showing it they can actually say more.

    Also, if (and this is a BIG IF) Mara is/was indeed Luke's wife, who's to say that they didn't split before his death or retreat to Ach-To? Wouldn't that actually make Luke look better in the long run? Because if he ran out while he was still married...well...TLJ stretched our view of Luke quite far enough!

    As for reunions, maybe that could be a central theme for IX (for the ST as a whole). Luke never said farewell to Han, Luke's wife never said goodbye to him, and Ben never said goodbye to Leia.

    Very, VERY good point.

    I disagree with you here. Why introduce her in TFA? What's her role? If she's just there, its needless fan service, and not even good one at that. And depending on when/if she and Luke were together when the Ben went rogue, she might have known where Luke was the entire time, encouraging Rey to go back to Jakku and Finn to run and hide from the FO.


    *Mistborn trilogy by Brandon Sanderson. It's amazing and has one of the best endings of a series I've ever read.
    *I watched ANH and ESB with a female friend who never finished the OT. She HATED Han's attitude and his relationship with Leia. I tried to defend him, but she had some really good points and frankly, next time I rewatch all the movies I might start to agree with her more.
    *Romantic Reylo. Not a fan. Them sharing a non-romantic but still important bond (like kindred spirits) I can understand and get behind.
    *Yes, Rebels was a kids' show. But most of my friends that watched it (or the people I watch who reviewed it) more or less assumed they were together/hooking up. By showing that big kiss on screen really implied that we were wrong. But then...well...
     
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    A lot of ways they can play this even if it is Mara.

    Big if.

    Maybe Mara confirms that Luke was celibate (they were just friends, he turned her on a path to good, or she's still evil). Maybe she and Luke were together but they never had kids. Maybe she had a kid with someone else because Luke was too devoted to his Jedi school. If they want to insert someone to take on a role model/mom replacement role, maybe Ben was her student and she worked with him a lot. Maybe, if she's evil, she mentored him after he turned, defeated her and Luke found her later in life.

    The possibilities are endless. There's a 30 year gap and they probably won't go about things the way the EU did, and that's still assuming it is Mara Jade.

    As for those who don't like it, from someone who's not invested in IX very much, having Mara Jade would pique my interest. Of course then I'd probably be upset we never got to see her interact with Han, Leia and Luke when alive lol. I think there would be a story to tell there if they wanted to. I'm not holding my breath though. Most likely she's Leia's adopted mother or grandmother from Alderaan that Ben remembers used to bake him cookies lol.
     
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    Luke has loved women very much entire his life,which is now confirmed and canon since in The Last Jedi novel he dreams, him, a Jedi Master, he dreams about woman that became his wife.

    And he was actually so obviously magnetically desperate to find girl that even his sister kissed him knowing he wants this badly and the effect of his extasy after she kisses him would be devastating for Han . (Empire Strikes Back)

    Yes kissed out of desperation by his own .sister.,

    I know, I know but we true Star Wars fans must nagotiate with common reason sometimes to...to be able to love it all...and understand....the deeper logic behind it all. it must be..there must be...somewhere

    I forgot now what I wanted to tell.
     
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