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SPECULATION Mark Hamill doesn't accept the new trilogy as canon?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Grand Admiral Kraum, Dec 20, 2017.

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    Mark is #OurGuy .
     
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    "I see him more as Jake Skywalker."
     
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    I changed the post.
     
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    Mark is a treasure and he will always be, his opinion and honesty are always appreciated, not just because he is Luke (and similarly doesn't give a-f XD), but because he is a fan. But, I have to point out that even if he 'hated' the film, even if he doesn't accept it (or, at least, not fully as he says), whether you agree or disagree with him, it shouldn't be a factor in your opinion about the movie.

    I will forever be grateful for him for my hero Luke. Mark was so good in this movie - I always believed he was a good actor, but he surprised me beyond words. The nuance, the humanity he brought to the role was exceptional. By the Force, I love Mark Hamill. :)
     
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    I don’t think Mark has actually thought through the alternative. If Luke sought to right his wrongs and didn’t go into exile there wouldn’t be an ST story.

    Something needed to go wrong with him somewhere. Perhaps my force draining idea would’ve worked but then people would’ve just complained that they waited 30years for Luke to use the force and were let down!

    This story is about Rey or Ren. A perfect Luke wouldn’t serve that story. It would destroy it.
     
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    I've known mark was a good actor ever since I heard him as the definitive voice of the Joker, then as Luke in SW. Mark is best person.
     
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    I think Mark is spot on in his assessment. The character he played this time around was not Luke Skywalker. Luke would have not given up the way he did, he would dropped everything to go help his sister at her request. Second he found out from Chewy that Han had been killed by Ben, Luke would have grabbed his lightsaber and got in his X-wing and when to help Leia.

    If you accept that both the directors of TFA and TLJ did not want Luke Skywalker in their movies but was force to do it by Disney, they wanted to down play that epic character so he did not overshadow the Rey and Kylo character. I really did not like what they did to Luke in TLJ, as I told my wife, I watched my childhood die on the screen, but like Mark said, its just a movie.
     
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    You can't say he didn't warn us. Hamill has been subtely burying this movie since last May when he said he disagreed with 100%. Think about it, he didn't say 30%, 40%, he said 100%! Then he said a few weeks ago they should have used Lucas's outline, and then these random interviews popping up where he doesn't even want to take hold of what Rian Johnson did with Luke. You gotta love this guy!
     
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    C'mon, he understands it perfectly, he even says it - he just doesn't agree with it. Let's be fair. He feels ownership over the role in the same way Carrie said: I am Leia and Leia is me.

    In my opinion, he took hold of it where it mattered - on screen. And it was magnificent.

    That is one thing ALL the fans can agree on. ;)
     
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    If he doesn't agree with it, then what would he agree with - perfect Luke? Perfect Luke prevents the ReyBen story, hence my point.
    TBH I odn't know if it is a lack of understanding or acceptance. But Mark is just an actor. RJ is a trained storyteller and it is clear that Luke had to be compromised in some way. Michael Arndt knew that when he wrote the first draft. JJ had the same issue.

    I get how he feels ownership and he likely knew the backlash would come. He loves the fans because their love and loyalty made his career. But this has perhaps blinded him. Luke had to make a mistake. He couldn't be the Luke we saw in ROTJ.
     
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    Just like with all of us as fans, Mark is entitled to his opinions. And I appreciate them, but at the end of the day the story and direction weren't his responsibility.

    Harrison Ford wanted Han Solo to be killed in the OT. Actors can have opinions that might not be best for the story.

    What I don't understand is everyone is saying that who he became wasn't Luke...would you have made the same argument if Luke had turned to the dark side? Because on more than one occasion Mark expressed that is where he thought the character of Luke might go.
     
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    My point is - it doesn't matter. That's how he feels and that is perfectly legitimate.

    We might love this version of Luke, we might appreciate every way it enhanced the story (about the Force, Jedi, personal responsibility, failure......), but what Mark thinks or feels is perfectly fine and he has the right to think or feel that way. Saying that he doesn't understand invalidates that. That was my point.

    In the grand scheme of things - it only matters that he was a great professional and performer who gave us brilliance on screen. That has more value than anything each and every one of us (including Mark) thinks. That's at least how I feel.
     
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    #MakeJakeSkywalkerCanon
    Someone start a change.org petition fast!
     
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    mmm anyone have the entire interview? because that video was uploaded by Jar Jar Abrams and he is known for edit and take Mark's words out of context. I know that he initially disagreed with Rian but he conviced him and he said that he would his best to play his role
     
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    Mark also says that The Last Jedi is the best Star Wars film since Empire Strikes Back.
     
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    Mark Hamill's idea of what the ST should be completely overshadows all of the new and only shines light on the old, and that's never clearer than when he said he and Leia should have been the ones to watch Han die instead of Rey and Finn. Completely disregarding everything it did for those characters, particularly Rey and somehow not managing to see the parallels between Rey witnessing Han's death and him witnessing Ben's death.

    Luke, along with his father brought an end to the Sith and effectively the dark side of the force for decades, then some 25 years later he senses it starting to bubble up again underneath the surface, in the form of his own nephew no less. He brought peace back to the galaxy for decades and now his own nephew, the son of his sister threatens to ruin that peace. He thinks momentarily that killing Ben will secure it but ultimately he decides not to do it, he still does the "heroic" thing but it was a mental battle, it was a struggle, yet he still chose the "high road". There's layers to these characters, just because Luke has never dealt with something like this doesn't mean he never could, those three movies aren't law for the character. Ben threatens to ruin everything Luke worked to do in those first three movies, and it's just baffling to me how even the consideration of killing his own nephew is enough to make everyone scream, "OH MY GOD CHARACTER RUINED!!"

    Hamill has also stated TLJ is his favorite Star Wars film since Empire, but let's just disregard that, right? Whenever he says something good about the film it's either, "He's being paid off or he's just being PC" but when it's something negative it's, "YEAH THIS IS REALLY WHAT HAMILL THINKS!". Please.
     
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    Look a heavily edited video in which Luke is not saying "I do not accept the new canon". My god. This is getting really annoying now.
     
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    We cant disregard it because Rians fanboys brings it up all the time.
    --- Double Post Merged, Dec 20, 2017, Original Post Date: Dec 20, 2017 ---
    Heavily edited?
     
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