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Mark Hamill officially back for Episode IX

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by VOODOO, Jul 28, 2018.

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    I find it somewhat interesting that Mark Hamill’s participation in Episode IX has been made official this early on. While many of us thought it was very likely that Hamill would return as Luke in one form or another, I didn’t think that Disney/Abrams would be so transparent about it. This isn’t J.J. (mystery box) Abrams usual way of doing things.

    I think this speaks volumes about what the people at Disney are thinking about fandoms reaction to the way that Luke Skywalker was treated in The Last Jedi and it says even more about their fear of a potential rebellion towards the franchise (see Solo box office, toys sales, TLJ Blu-ray/streaming sales, TLJ off $700 million from TFA) by fans upset with the divisive nature of TLJ. From Disney's point of view having the public understand that Luke Skywalker will play a role in Episode IX may be an olive branch to the angry/dissappointed fans... I honestly think Disney misjudged how fans would react to the classic characters being treated so disrespectfully. Perhaps they understand now that just slapping the name Star Wars on a film with younger/prettier actors isn’t what a lot of fans wanted. What most fans wanted (in my opinion) was a respectful continuation of the original stories and characters.

    Hopefully Luke, Lando and Leia (is it too much to to ask for a flashback involving Harrison Ford?) will have a significant role to play and their appearance won’t be more than glorified cameos/fan service...I hope this isn’t a case of a little too little a little too late.
     
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    Just to be clear on this, you honestly think Disney intentionally intended to "so disrespectfully" treat the OT characters, and then followed that intention by not understanding that it would make a subset of people angry? And no one but the subset of people - including you - even realized that the OT characters were being "treated so disrespectfully"? And you're telling me in all sober seriousness that this is an honest glimpse of your reasoning capabilities? Okay hold on, I got a gif for that. Let me find it. One moment. Ah. Here it is:

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    But in all seriousness, I think the idea of a "mystery box" is about the story and not so much, who's acting in the story. JJ did set up a lot of mystery in VII. I have a feeling he's going to connect back to those. I guess we'll find out.
     
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    Perhaps my phrasing wasn’t the greatest, but I absolutely believe that tptb misjudged how the fans would react to how Luke was written and ultimately killed off in favor of newer/lesser characters. I firmly believe that the audience wanted more of a continuation of the original trilogy and those iconic characters than the divisive film that they were given. A film that essentially ended the face of SW (Luke) in the most anticlimactic way possible.

    I also think that Disney clearly understands that many fans were extremely unhappy and they are getting their PR machine out in front of it as they don’t want a continuation of the backlash against the series (see Solo)

    Honestly, who but the most die hard of fans wants to see a Star Wars film that doesn’t have Luke Skywalker or Han Solo, but is centered around run of the mill characters like Poe, Rose Tico etc? It’s like doing another Indiana Jones movie, but not having Indiana Jones in that film...Disney understands this and they are quickly and very publicly trying to remedy the situation
     
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    Like Snow White without Snow White.
     
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    Actually it speaks volumes about how a minority of fans will nitpick about a revealing of Mark Hamll into something ridiculous and his coming back,and has delusions that it's because;it was how Luke was treated(which there was nothing wrong with Luke's character in TLJ), and that Disney is in fear about some toxic fans who supposedly hate TLJ so much they are planning to see IX because they built up more things in their minds that must happen or else...
     
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    I never doubted Luke's appearance in XI. Obi Wan, Anakin, and Yoda have had force ghost appearances. Seems logical Luke would too. The amount of screen time Luke had was the secret of TFA, but he was alway billed as being in it form the start. He listed as being in TLJ from the start. Doesn't surprise me he is listed as part of the cast in IX. Don't think it is supposed to be a secret or any PR stunt because of TLJ. He is in the movie just like the others two before.
     
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    They would never have been able to keep his involvement secret given that Hamill will likely receive top billing.
     
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    Nothing to do with what Disney thinks about fandoms....
    Will be just a force ghost Luke like its was with Ben, Yoda and Anakin.
     
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    Yes! Dobbu Scay is returning! :D
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    What I was getting at was that, your thoughts weren't exactly as "honest" as advertised, yeah? No offense, I just think it's important to, well, to keep things honest. Let's call it protecting the innocent who might actually buy the "I'm being honest" line.

    I doubt they misjudged anything. I'd propose that everyone in the storytelling business knows that the audience is fickle, and you never know how they will react to, anything. But I have no doubt they're pleased with the story.

    Well, as for "firmly believe" I've got a friend who "firmly believes" a lot of pretty incredible things. When competent reasoning is stripped away, belief can be firm in just about anything. As for what the "audience wanted" I'm going to go ahead and call you out on unknowable fact fallacy. I'm wagering that by "audience" you're placing yourself as the center of audience-world, around which all audience wants revolve. Sorry to rain on your egocentric world but you're not the audience.

    Again, sorry to rain on your parade but I really doubt anyone cares about the "many extremely unhappy fans" in your audience-world. I "firmly believe" that the people working on these projects know exactly the mentality they're dealing with in the "many extremely unhappy fans" and that mentality is best completely ignored as it can never be placated. Even if you could placate it, the end result would be a story akin to Shakespear's tale told by the idiot - full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

    Didn't take long to get back to that word, did it? I'm buying it now as much as I did the first time.

    Right, who wants to hear a story? Who wants to see a movie? Nobody, right? Stories not centered on a specific character. Who wants Star Trek without Kirk, am I right? You realize you're just, careening off the edge of absurdity in a flaming car of nonsense, right? Tell me you at least realize it.

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    Just for the people in the back - this is Luke's last line in The Last Jedi:
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    Which also serve as his last words. Which are emulating Han. Because his entire fight with Kylo Ren was a mix of being a genuine apology for failing his misguided and borderline-evil student... and passive-aggressive trolling.
     
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    Mark Hamill being announced is just common sense, that has nothing to do with TLJ "backlash".

    Mark was included in the announcement of TFA, while he appeared in it for 1 minute. He is very chatty, so even if you don't include him in the announcement, he will give it away on Twitter. With him in the announcement, you can use him for the marketing and to promote the movie.

    It's strange that people go like: this is prove of Disney taking us, the "real" fans serious. Haha, sorry to destroy your dreams, but the fact is that Bob Iger LOVES TLJ. He LOVES it. And as long emperor Iger is happy, they don't give 2 blast's about a couple of angry birds on Twitter.

    About the "disrespecting" the original characters. We knew that Luke would die in 8. After TFA, they said: 7 was Solo focused, 8 will be the movie for Luke and 9 will be for Leia. And the death of Han especially wasn't a surprise, since Ford wanted the character dead since Empire.

    And yes, TLJ made 700 million les than TFA, but nobody who has any clue about how the BO works, expected TLJ to make the same or even more than TFA.
    TFA made 2.1 billion dollar. Read again, 2.1 billion dollar. It's not because that movie made that crazy amount of money, that that becomes the threshold to say a SW movie is a succes or not if it passes the 2 billion dollar mark (wich is almost impossible to do, for any movie).

    TFA made the money it made, because it had an insane marketing campaign, it was the first SW movie in 10 years (and the best in over 30), it featured the original 3, it had zero to little significant competition at the BO for over a month, ...

    TLJ was the 3th movie in 3 years, had a solid marketing campaign, but faced great counterprogramming aimed at the same audience. And don't forget, Disney knew this movie was going to make far less money than TFA (most sequels make less money than there predecessor). They expected the movie to end around 1.5 billion dollar, because Disney knows how the BO works, they know that the crazy amount of money TFA made, was an exception, and not the rule.

    The real moral of the story is: you can't do good for everybody. There is no magic formula to make the perfect SW movie that everybody will love. "The fans", as one group who all want the same, don't exist.

    TLJ blu-ray sales are down. Yes, but Blu-ray/DVD sales go down. Physical media sales are going down for years now, and that trend will continue (in 5 to 10 years, studio's will even stop making them, because more and more people go digital).

    About the toy sales, i suggest you read this Forbes article.
     
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    Everyone knew Mark Hamill would return in IX. It was common sense and TLJ pretty much hinted at it.

    Luke's role will be small but important. I'm looking forward to it
     
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    You sure about that? Leia has pretty big shoes to fill.
     
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    To continue on the TLJ box-office. There is a very interesting article about it on Forbes.

    The highlights:

    And to go on on my remarks about the expected BO for TLJ: this article by Forbes is a must read.

     
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    Self-important people say a lot of crazy stuff on the internet!
     
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    I think Luke is gonna have a bigger role then just being a Force ghost and sitting on a log.
     
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    Mark will probably return as force ghost to rey like Obiwan did to luke. I hope that at one point Yoda's Force Ghost meets Rey that would be interesting (yoda 2). Or if Anakins force Ghost appeard because Anakin in my opinion he can mostly relate to Rey.
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    Mark probably just rewatched the last and was like nope i gotta fix this blast.
     
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    Luke's story was never finished, its common sense we'd see him again in some way.

    I just hope JJ gives him more screen time this time around!!

    Great to see it announced so early on.
     
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