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OFFICIAL NEWS Mark Hamill reveals George Lucas Arc version for Luke's death

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by YubNubBub, Mar 27, 2018.

  1. YubNubBub

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    I am suprised this was not on the news feed.

    "George had an overall arc." - Mark Hamill

    Speaking to IGN about the differences in approach to the character of Luke Skywalker between J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson, Hamill suddenly changed tack, and explained:

    "I happen to know that George didn't kill Luke until the end of [Episode] 9, after he trained Leia. Which is another thread that was never played upon [in The Last Jedi]."

    Full article here:

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/03...ls-ending-to-george-lucas-star-wars-episode-9


    This is all over the net.
     
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    Didn't Luke train Leia in legends? If Lucas made sequels around 10 years after ROTJ I'm sure this is how it would have gone. But 60 year old Jedi training sounds a little odd for the ST. Still would have love to have seen more force stuff from Leia, but the "sensing" stuff in 7 and 8 was well done to me!
     
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    This was George plans in the 70/80 but things happened (financial issues, and it was consuming too much time) and he choose to end the story in the return of the jedi
     
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    Guess it worked out anyways, billions of dollars later and he can do literally anything he wants lol.
     
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    This is disingenuous from MH. The story outline he refers to was back when Luke's sister was someone called Nelith, not Leia, living far away in the galaxy somewhere. The Emperor wasn't slated to be in the films until episodes 7-9. Instead, Lucas realised the scope was too large and decided to put the whole story into VI/ROTJ. No doubt there was original an idea and outline for 7-9. I believe Dale Pollock once read the treatment and said it sounded like the most exciting trilogy. But Lucas ditched it and wrapped up the story into 4-6. He then focused on the PT, where he used a lot of the themes and ideas for 7-9 (Jedi knighthood, blurred lines between good and evil etc).

    I'm not saying he completely erased any idea of 7-9. He obviously kept some brief ideas, but it was never really a story after ROTJ or indeed the PT. Only in 2010/11 did he decide he wanted to continue the story and then came up with something else (which wasn't completed) - that Mark Hamill has no clue of.
     
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    I wished so much Lucas vision would have been used. What a waste.
     
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    So, if we accept the idea that this Lucas story was his vision for the ST (it wasn't), you'd like to have it be about 55yr old Luke teaching his twin the ways of the Force so they could..."rule the retirement home as brother and sister"?
     
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    nope, never meant it as a fighting 55 year old, but why not showing the passing of a torch of a mentor? One mentor 'Luke' dying and so inspiring a new mentor 'Leia', after she decided earlier not to follow the Jedi way, but with Luke's loss feeling the need to keep the flame alive. This does not change the fact that still a young hero/heroine is needed to do the heavy lifting. Just 2 different arcs combined into one story.
     
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    One thing is sure: Hamill physically is in a good shape and I think he deserves to be in more SW movies. Could be interesting to make a couple of spinoff between 6 and 7 explaining some aspects of his life (With Harrison! We still have Harrison!!)
    One of those things if it's not being made, I will never understand why.
     
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    Because if Leia was as powerful as Luke then once again there would be no real need for a new hero. That was the problem with Luke. If he was the same old hero as we saw in the OT, then there would've been no need for Rey. He needed to be broken in some way and wind up dead by the end, otherwise he would've removed Rey's agency.

    Now it might just have been that Leia would've taken on a more 'Jedi mentor' type role in IX where she could've imparted some wisdom she had learned from Luke (clearly he taught her some stuff). But Carrie Fisher tragically died and I don't think you can pin that one on Rian Johnson...though I wouldn't be surprised to find many have tried. :rolleyes:
     
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    still disagree that Luke needed to be completely broken. Lord of the rings and Gandalf is the prime example how a mentor works without overshadowing the protagonists.
     
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    Completely different concept. Frodo was "the hero" because he could get to Mordor unnoticed and wouldn't be corrupted by the ring. Luke, if he remained a powerful Jedi hero, would've had no such issues in defeating the dark side and Rey would've been unnecessary.
     
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    unless Luke's mission to the first temple had something that made Luke realize he cannot tell it to Rey and needs to do a mission on his own. Rey is left thinking he does not want to help and only at the end of IX she realizes he helped from afar. JJ made Poe disappear and reappear in TFA, why was it not possible with Luke. He could have done a secret mission (something regarding Snoke or the big bad mystery in the unknown regions) and we could later read in a novel, so the focus in the movie stays on Rey&Kylo. The early dying mentor is simply the very lazy and predictible route.
     
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    A secret mission that included allowing his friend (Han) tie die, his sister and the Resistance to be nearly wiped out and for an entire star system to be destroyed without him lifting a finger? That would make no sense and had Luke done that and not been shut off from the Force and out of the loop, then I'd have been complaining about him more than you are right now.

    What's more, what happens at the end of this secret mission? He completes it and returns to the fight, again making Rey redundant? And honestly, this all important secret mission is left to be explained in a novel?

    + you say the dying mentor schtick is predictable and yet seem utterly shocked by Luke's character and demise...

    I think the hate has scrambled your circuits old friend.
     
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    does this maybe show a problem with her character (and other new ones)? Why is Rey's character not compelling enough when Luke is around?

    In the end we got a full-reboot, with Rey in the exact same position as Luke after ROTJ and no mentor around + the task to rebuild the Jedi on her own.
     
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    It's not *just* about being compelling but literally having agency as a hero. But in regards to the point made, Luke Skywalker is a film legend. He has 40 years of screen history behind him and is one of the greatest heroes ever. And then there was a 30 year gap between him being seen on screen, in the flesh. It was hard to find a way around that from the first draft to the last. Michael Arndt, award winning screenwriter, made that very point. I think RJ did a great job - especially considering how JJ built it up even more and passed it on to him to deal with! Rey is compelling and people LOVE HER.

    As it is with most hero journey stories. The difference needs to be with the characters and their trials and thankfully, Rey's journey is vastly different to Luke's - again because of Rian Johnson's handling of her parentage.
     
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    well this all depends on how you saw what happened at the end of TLJ. what did Luke say? what did Luke do?
    we all heard what he said, and we saw what his projected self did on Crait.

    now let's break it down...
    Luke was broken and he was done with the Jedi. he wanted to die alone and take the Jedi order with him.

    he changed his mind.

    he then did something using the force that was beyond amazing - projected himself to the other side of the galaxy where everyone could see and hear him, and he could see and hear them. some fans were hoping that Luke would pull a destroyer out of the sky in a grand show of force or something similar, but what he did was a million times bigger... and i believe we have only seen a small part of it so far.

    "The Rebellion is reborn today. The war is just beginning. And I will not be the last Jedi"

    what is that? only Ben heard him say it, so it's not some rousing comment meant for the resistance survivors or Rey.
    He isn't seeing the future or just being super hopeful... Luke is going to make it happen.

    @nightangel i know what Luke means to you, and this is only my opinion about what is going to happen in episode 9, but i think he will have a monumental impact on the end of this saga.

    Luke joining the force will change everything.
     
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    Yeah, we don't necessarily know what kind of power these force ghosts truly have. Yoda brought down literal lighting for god sakes. What kind of capablilties could Luke do? Especially what he did when he was alive.
     
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    exactly.

    i'd suggest everyone who is upset with Luke's part in this trilogy so far.... take the red pill and stay in wonderland. i firmly believe that we are about to go down the force 'rabbit hole' ;)
     
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    Everything about George's vision is all speculation, but I think it's safe to assume MH received ideas or high level commentary from GL, at the very least, regarding the supposed story. MH expected this to go another way. Until it is concretely stated the ideas in the article where changed by GL before or at the time of sale, or by presently involved parties, it's moot.

    The real issue is the following:

    This again speaks volumes and really seems to again confirm baton story telling from a major player. They're winging it. Good for creative freedom, bad for story, and the overall legacy of the original 6 films.


     
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