MARVEL Cinematic Universe

I've been thinking about how to someday integrate X-Men with the MCU, and the more I think about it, the easier it seems.

First, just reboot the X-men. The FOX X-Men franchise has some great films, but the real pillars--Jackman and Stewart--have already moved on. The franchise has never really been concerned with continuity and has already rebooted itself once or twice, so it's not like we're making a huge sacrifice hear to just start again.

Second, the established idea that mutant powers manifest during adolescence is a huge help. It would totally make sense if we found out that mutants have actually existed for the entirety of the MCU, only their powers don't manifest until now, when they are teenagers. And then you could go back and say "Wait, there have been mutants before, like Professor X, except they had no reason to make themselves known, so we're only learning about them now."

I could envision a series of post-credits scenes where a young Jean, Scott and crew discover their powers, and Professor X invites them to his school.

 

Re-watching The Avengers, I love that the first shot of Thanos is his hand and then the grin. It has way more meaning now then just doing it for the sake of it being intimidating. I'm guessing it's the one that he uses the gauntlet with?

 

OK it has been deemed that we do not need to use spoiler tags in this forum....so.....several questions of mine, need Marvel expert help:

1. What "Mark" of armor is Tony up to in IW? It appears to be the armor that is integrated with his cellular structure, correct?

2. They did not mention the origin of Capt's new shield that expands from his forearm. Where did that come from? Is that Wakandan in origin?

3. Did I see it correctly that when Thanos snaps his fingers, the gauntlet crumbled? Is the gauntlet destroyed now? Does he still have the powers associated with the infinity stones , does he still have all the stones?

 

Watched Infinity War 2 times and what a great movie with giving all heroes something to do. Also no out of character treatment.

 

The new numbers of IW are in.

* 200 million dollar openingweekend in China
* Internationally, in 3 weeks crossed the 1 billion dollar mark.
* Worldwide after 3 weeks, the movie made 1.6 million at the BO.

The movie now has a big chance to cross the 2 billion dollar mark & to pass by TFA.

 

Since the strong opening with numbers similar to TFA, I think it was secure to assume that IW would pass it because of the China factor (which Star Wars doesnt have). The question now is if it will pass Titanic (high chances) and Avatar (still very difficult).

 

So I should have visited Wiki first, here is the story on Stark's current armor in IW:

Known as the Bleeding Edge armor, it has rocket thrusters that allows Stark to travel in deep space. The suit has the ability to form around Stark out of his arc reactor using nanotechnology, which can regenerate itself if it sustains damage.[23] Visually, this armor is based on the Model Prime armor from the comics.[24]

Here is the background on Bleeding Edge Armor as from the Comics:

Bleeding Edge Armor[edit]
First Appearance: Iron Man (vol. 5) #25 (June 2010)
In Invincible Iron Man #25 (2010), Stark creates a new armor in the aftermath of the "Stark: Disassembled" storyline.[32] Created by writer Matt Fraction and artist Ryan Meinerding, this new armor is sleeker in appearance, and is featured in the 2010 crossover storyline, the "Heroic Age".[33]


Iron Man in his Bleeding Edge armor. Cover art to Invincible Iron Man vol. 5, #25 (August 2010) by Salvador Larroca.
When asked if the Bleeding Edge is an upgrade to Extremis, Stark comments, "Nah—this is what comes next." As such the new armor is a part of Stark's now-posthuman biology—it is stored inside Stark's body in its entirety, "manifesting" itself when mentally commanded.[34]

The neurokinetic user-controlled morphologic nanoparticle bundles that form the suit reside in Stark's body, and form a fibrous wetweb of iron and platinum,[35] that can be commanded to form any type of structure upon Stark's skin, such as large boxing gloves,[36] or weapons, including large guns extending from his arms[35] or a lightsaber-like energy sword with which Iron Man was actually able to harm one of the Worthy during the 2011 "Fear Itself" storyline.[37] The nano-machines can even mimic the appearance of clothes, and then dissociate to transform into the Iron Man armor whenever Stark wishes.[38] The suit adds less than twenty-five pounds to Stark's body mass, and can stop a howitzer shell.[35]

The armor and Stark's own transhuman body are powered by the high-yield arc reactor mounted in his chest.[34] The high output of the arc reactor has greatly augmented Stark's intelligence and provided him superhuman-level multitasking and learning capabilities. Unlike earlier armors, this new armor does not appear to rely on motors and servos for motion. Instead, the nano-machines create a secondary artificial musculature over Stark's body, upon which additional rigid structures are assembled. This also enables the armor to self-repair and be almost invulnerable, as the armor is capable of transforming and healing itself as long as the power output from the arc reactor is not interrupted or terminated; when the armor is briefly apparently destroyed in a fight with an alternate version of the Scarlet Witch, it is restored to normal after only a matter of seconds (although it remains inactive long enough to require Spider-Man to rescue Stark from plummeting to the ground).[39] In the 2012 "Ends of the Earth" storyline, Doctor Octopus is able to disable the armor using technology derived from the armor of Iron Man 2020.[40]

The suit's repulsors, which are located around the knuckles, chest, back and legs of the armor, as well as in the traditional palms, also function as cameras, or "eyeballs", which afford Stark a 360-degree panoramic view around himself.[35] Temporarily replacing the suit's primary composite—iron/platinum—with carbon nanotubes renders it unaffectable by Magneto's powers when he and Iron Man engaged in combat over Utopia.[41]

After Stark decides to retire as Iron Man in the 2012 "Long Way Down" storyline, he undergoes a surgical procedure that expels the Bleeding Edge technology out of his body, rendering the armor inert.[42]

--- Double Post Merged, May 13, 2018, Original Post Date: May 13, 2018 ---

Avatar just absolutely baffles me. IMO, I did not like the movie, at all. As a military guy, another in a long line of "military is bad" movies so the message really turned me off. Of the movies in the Top 10 , Avatar and Furious 7 just baffle me as to their "legs" and popularity.

 

There is a chance it will pass Titanic, but i don't rank it that high of a chance, because of the stellar competition the movie is going to get:
* Next week: Deadpool 2
* In 2 weeks: Solo
* Early june: JW - Fallen Kingdom get's released in a bunch of internationall markets (incl. some big markets, like the UK, France, Germany, Russia, South-Korea).

So for now, i'm saying IW will pass TFA, but not Titanic. And i give it a 0% chance to pass Avatar (the number is just to high & now the serious competition for the movie is coming).

Maybe i'll revisit my Titanic prediction in a few weeks, when we can see how the movie handles the competition.

 

I never take this long to see a big movie, but my life has just been too hectic really and whenever I get some free time, I tend to just fall asleep. In preparation for Infinity War, and because I really like the movie and have not seen in a long time, I re-watched Civil War.

One thing that was teased throughout several of the movies, but really confirmed in Civil War was that Steve Rogers really isn’t deserving of the title Capt. America. He’s not particularly patriotic, and while I certainly wouldn’t call him anti-American, he pretty much disagrees with every order or action by the government; to the point that I would actually call it paranoia.

In The Avengers he gets all upset when he discovers that SHIELD has old HYDRA weapons and is using them in an attempt to build more. Nick Fury goes on to explain that due to the appearance of the Thor and the Destroyer, they need to do something to prepare to defend themselves for a much larger conflict than they are used too.

In The Winter Soldier, he wants SHIELD disbanded because HYDRA had infiltrated it. Now we all know that crooked cops, other law enforcement officials, and politicians exist, but the notion that you need to get rid of each one of these organizations every time one pops up is ridiculous. Law enforcement shouldn’t cease to exist every time a spy (in this case) is discovered.

We all know Steve’s stance on the accords in Civil War, but what I find even more telling is his comment about World War II when talking with Tony:

Some would say it brought us closer to war?! Is he serious?! How can take issue with what is possibly the most just war of all time? Why did he even bother to join the service? He objects to everything he is told to do and is constantly telling authority how wrong they are. Again, I wouldn’t say he is anti-American, but he shows no particular fondness or affinity for his country. He disregards just about every order and doesn’t believe in accountability for the superhero community at all.

 

Great Post @kuatorises , I agree with your assessment of Capt. Actually if you had told me the stances on signing the accords before Civil War, I would have said Iron Man would've been the rogue, anti-rules, anti-government guy and Capt would have been the by-the-book military guy. That really threw me for a loop in that movie.

 

Furious 7 did well because Paul Walker died before it released. If that hadn't happened it wouldn't have made as much money.

 

Why thank you, good sir! I want to like the guy, but he makes it very hard. He is paranoid and antiauthority. You should question authority when it's wrong, not just because it's authority and do it every time; which is what he does. He's a contrarian. He has no purpose to question authority other than doing it just because an idea is coming from authority. He's never wrong, he never changes his mind, and he never compromises.

I was actually pretty angry that War Machine was portrayed the way that he was in Infinity War. I thought it was very lazy to portray the government as being wrong once again. They weren't in Civil War. Something had to be done and Rhoades believes in that. But it was convenient to have him blame "the man" once again; when it's actually the heroes who are causing the mass destruction at times.

 

That's an really interesting thought, actually. I hadn't really considered it much until now.

I think in general, Cap was obviously right in The Winter Soldier- there really was a Hydra conspiracy, so I'd say his paranoia was at least justified.

As for Civil War- I find that movie really interesting, because it's one of the few superhero movies where fans can really find themselves on opposite sides of the aisle. Personally, I think I'd agree with you, and say that Cap was a selfish idiot in that movie. But I have heard plenty of people think he was totally justified, too.

I think part of the reason Cap can seem so jarring is that he tries to represent a better America- sort of a living embodiment of that famous Mark Twain quote

But he does sometimes also have features of a crazy, paranoid, anarchist American hillbilly stereotype not totally unlike this guy.

 

Go back to my first comment on the matter. Should the FBI or CIA he dismantled whenever a spy is discovered in their ranks? Should a local Police Department be shut down because of improper action by one or more of their officers? This is what Cap is promoting in The Winter Soldier and going forward. He believes in the complete dissolution
of SHIELD and he completely disregards any orders given by the government.

Cap is an Peedunky in Civil War. "The safest hands are still our own." Get out of here with that nonsense. His only motivation is Wanda and Bucky. He has no objectivity whatsoever.

I don't think there's anything American about him to be honest with you. The only thing that he seems to care about is that he and the rest of the Avengers can operate as they see fit and that those members of the team who are his friends are treated with kids gloves.

 

They did it because with so much thing going on in the movie, it was the easiest and fastest way to close this plot without plot holes. But yeah, it was lazy and convenient. Maybe they should have put the government plot in another movie between Civil War and IW but I don't know if it could have been possible.

 

It was definitely a bigger issue than "a spy in their ranks", though.

SHIELD was fully infiltrated, to the very top level. More than that, they were in the process of taking actions that would destroy a ton of innocent lives worldwide.

I think that calmly replacing the members with more qualified and morally sound individuals wasn't really Cap's M.O., and at least part of that was because time was clearly of the essence.