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MARVEL Cinematic Universe

Discussion in 'Film' started by Voxx, Sep 11, 2014.

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Which upcoming MCU movies are you looking forward to the most?

  1. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 (May 2023)

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  2. The Marvels (Nov 2023)

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  3. Captain America: New World Order (May 2024)

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  4. Thunderbolts (July 2024)

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  5. Blade (Sept 2024)

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  6. Deadpool 3 (Nov 2024)

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  7. Fantastic Four (Feb 2025)

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  8. Avengers: The Kang Dynasty (May 2025)

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  9. Avengers: Secret Wars (May 2026)

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  1. Andrew Waples

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    People may not have seen Ant-Man and The Wasp (it kinda sorta just came out compared to Infinity War) and it was a spoiler...
     
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    Understood. I asked the same question right after IW came out and was told by a Mod that "you can say anything Marvel related in the Marvel thread". The name of the thread is enough warning to those wondering about content.
     
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    Yeah, I do want a Captain Marvel trailer, like right now.

    And yeah, Disney needs to find a replacement for Gunn ASAP. Maybe do a background check next time, Disney?
     
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    Later this year, Feige said so.

    The film comes out next year, so there's no rush.
     
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    They did. Addressed it in 2012 and everyone moved on until a group of people went after Gunn for reasons completely unrelated to those tweets.
    (The guy who started all this, Cernovich, is an actual rape apologist who gone on record saying date rape isn't real so if you think he was actually upset about it, he wasn't.)
     
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    #IfSamanthaBeeKeepsHerJobThenTheyAllDo
     
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    I don't think it was the rape jokes that did Gunn in as much as it was the way he openly joked about how he was a proud pedophile. That may have been a bit too much for a company which derives a huge amount of business from entertaining and delighting children.
     
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    Well, if that's the case, why is this Cernovich guy the moral police on anything then?
     
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    He's more a tattle tale than morality police. Disney wasn't going to particularly care about the messenger's own personal history when they decided how to deal with their own employee.

    I don't think Disney knew about the specific tweets that ending up getting Gunn fired. Sure Gunn gave an apology in 2012, but how specific was he in that apology? I think they dropped the ball with their background check. Perhaps they were willfully ignorant as well.

    Regardless, in this day and age of #metoo, I can't blame them for running away from something that maybe, 1 year ago at this time, would have garnered just a reprimand.
     
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    My initial reaction to this Gunn story was that he had it coming, but I guess it wasn't really fair to look at it this way. To his credit, it seems like this behaviour stopped and didn't repeat in the recent years, so that's probably a reason to look at that infamous phase as just a lame attempt at being edgy.

    That said, I also see where Disney was coming from. Cold calculation - they couldn't afford being associated with this drama in the current climate. And it's a quite messy climate, but here we are.
     
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    He isn't. But he whipped up enough fervor to get a reaction from Disney. It was a politically motivated attack on Gunn with little to no morality involved regarding the Tweets.
     
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    If you'll forgive me for responding to the same post twice, I'd like to perform a quick fact check:

    The 2012 apology Gunn gave was for something else entirely. That apology was for a blog he had written which was offensive to the LGBT community. (It speaks volumes about this person's character that he has to do so much apologizing.) There was no reference to his tweets, or his "jokes" about rape and pedophilia. So this particular firestorm was not addressed in that apology and it is not true to say Disney knew about it and everyone moved on.
     
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    Well, that's just great. Politics as usual then. Wonderful.
     
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    It wasn't Gunn's politics that got him fired.
     
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    But from my understanding, it was his politics that was the reason for this Cernovich guy to dig up those old tweets.
     
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    The issue was addressing his sense of humor and the things he said. It was all encompassing. He grew up. It happens.

    Disney didn't run a search of the Twitter of the guy they hired? bantha poodoo. By this logic Disney is wildly incompetent for hiring a Troma guy who wrote Tromeo and Juliet.

    They saw a quick reaction and jumped at it. After the Roseanne fiasco they panicked.

    If growth isn't allowed, then why bother?
    James made bad jokes 10 years ago.
    James has grown since then and hasn't done so since.
    Why punish him now?
    Why punish someone for something they have shown they can grow beyond?
    Shouldn't this be a point of highlighting growth, change and forgiveness, not supporting an actual assaulter's political hit job?
     
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    Yes that is correct but, as I noted above, he is just a tattletale, not an employer. So I don't really consider it "politics as usual" as if Disney was firing Gunn for espousing a political point of view.
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    You're making it sound like these tweets were written when he was a teenager. He was in his 40's. It is naïve to think he "grew up." He simply got his big career break in a field which took him away from that type of humor.

    Furthermore, while you are entitled to your opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts. It is clear you are not familiar with the 2012 apology. It was not all encompassing. He apologized specifically for some homophobic remarks he made on his blog.
    The fact that you have to deliberately mislead by merely calling his tweets "bad jokes" speaks volumes.

    "Why did the chicken cross the road?" is a bad joke. Gunn's "jokes" bragging about his attraction to little boys were pretty sick.
    The messenger is irrelevant.

    BTW, it also speaks volumes that you defend Gunn by attacking some guy I doubt most of us had even heard of one week ago (I know I hadn't). Unless that guy was actually lying (and since Gunn admitted to the tweets he clearly wasn't) then his identity doesn't matter one bit to Disney.
     
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    "Political as usual" as in Cernovich and his followers digging up those tweets because of Gunn's political views they don't like. I don't think Disney would fire someone over politics.
     
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    Cernovich isn't some guy. He's a political hack. He's done this before and he's tried going after Patton Oswalt, Sarah Silverman and Pablo Hidalgo among others.
    This is his shtick.

    The messenger matters a lot when the morality card is in play. Cernovich is an accused abuser who pleaded out to avoid jail time. He supported Roy More for judge in Alabama (another actual abuser).

    So yeah, when your premise is the morality card, the messenger matters.

    Yeah, okay. Here's a guy accused of rape and says Maclunkey the girl was the best thing he ever did. Sure thing. He's clearly a solid messenger.

    As for the quality of Gunn's jokes, familiarize yourself with shock comedy. These jokes are far more common than most are aware who aren't in the comedy scene. These could have been George Carlin jokes, except Carlin would have made them funny.

    The 2012 apology is an apology for his behavior. It isn't hard to understand how to extend this to other behaviors as it dramatically changed at this time.
    And who the hell says anyone stops growing as a person at a certain age?
    Someone can be an Peedunky all their life and realize at 60 how dumb that was and become a good person. You aren't what your past says you are.
    If we can get by Tim Allen's awful past, or Robert Downey Jr's awful past.....you have to be able to get by bad jokes.

    This is a candidate for sensitivity training not firing.
    Unless there's actual proof he's a rapist or pedophile, this is overblown.
     
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    No, it really doesn't. Cernovich is a nobody. A glorified tattletale. If you think the powers-that-be at Disney gave the slightest care about Cernovich when they made their decision, then you just don't understand how the industry works.
    You can keep attacking Cernovich as much as you want and it doesn't change the fact that Gunn wrote those tweets in question. It wasn't, like, some sort of fraud that Cernovich made up. Nobody is questioning their authenticity.

    It speaks volumes that your #1 defense of Gunn is merely to attack Cernovich. I never even heard of the guy before this story broke so the only thing I - and most others - cared about is whether or not the accusation was accurate (and it is).
    Get back to me when Disney enters the "shock comedy" business.

    At this point, it is clear you have never read his 2012 apology.

    Well, you know, in this day and age just joking about rape and pedophile could be career-ending moves.

    Gunn's an idiot. He should be fired purely for his stupidity in putting such statements on a public website. The internet never forgets anything.
     
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