MARVEL Cinematic Universe

AVENGERS ENDGAME:
The Good: It's every bit as fantastic, phenomenal ... EPIC ... as everyone has said it is ...

The Bad: I paid to see it in IMAX-3D. That was the second straight Disney-labeled 3D movie(for me) that was an insult to 3D movie-goers. They fooled me twice, there won't be a third time. I will see what they(Disney) do with 3D after Avatar 2.

 

The dudebros are out on full force saying that this shot was well "forced." As if Cap's "Avengers assemble" was any different.

 

It was forced though. You're more than welcome to like it, but to claim it was anything but forced is ridiculous. Literally almost all the male heroes were separated from almost all the female heroes just to bring about this single short sequence. Even the screenwriters said it would most likely feel forced, but they felt like there should be a scene in there focussing on the female heroes.

Honestly, it seems like you're taking this minor, legitimate criticism too personally man. Does it seriously matter whether it's forced or not, so long as you enjoyed it?

I enjoyed it too, but it was imo forced.

 

I have to ask. Would you say the same thing if it were a bunch of guys?

 

I rolled my eyes a little, but I was all for it. I'd pay to see an A-Force movie.

Meh, it's less forced and more payoff than anything. We've been waiting since 2012 (or 2008) or 2015 to hear those words, and they did NOT disappoint. You could argue the A-Force shot is the same though and I'd agree. I'd say it's payoff vs (hopefully) setup. But so long as we're in agreement *thunder braids my nonexistent beard*

That is a very good question; at the same time, the Avengers by this point is 90% guys...so...question answered...?

 

No in this case, because the Avengers was predominantly male from the get-go, and the big three are all male. The same way I wouldn't have an issue if it were an all-female team like A-Force, or the Valkyries.

 

That image though.

 

The more I think about it, the more I think Endgame mirrors Infinity War. The plot (Infinity War has been described by the writers and directors as a "smash and grab" heist film while Endgame is more of a traditional heist* with "smash and grab" elements), the ending (IM and Thanos' last exchange echoes back to Thor and Thanos' last exchange, Steve gets the last words in both movies, with his ending mirroring Thanos' own in Infinity War), and the character arcs (Thanos' "human" arcs are all about how he treats his daughters, ending in rebellion, abuse, sacrifice, and death; while Tony's is about protecting his own daughter and avenging his "son." Captain America in turn mirrors Thanos' iron will, determined to set right what is wrong, "whatever it takes," and is unwilling to rest until they do. Thor mirrors Thanos' inhuman strength. Loki declared that Thanos would never become a god. In a way he was right, but at the end of the day, if you have the power of a god, does the title truly matter?)
I'll need to see the movie again to get more details, but I'm sure there are more mirrors.*


*Can we just appreciate that the basic plot of the highest grossing superhero movie of all time is a freaking HEIST?! Like, it's not the MCU's first heist film, but still, that's INCREDIBLE.

*This will probably have to wait until the third viewing, as I've only seen the movie once and need to see it again before I go too deep into analysis mode.

 

So I just got back from seeing Endgame a second time (first time with my parents) and I think I FINALLY figured out what's been bothering me about the ST compared to the MCU...or one of the main things at least.

I've always said that RJ treated TLJ as long-form storytelling, and I still believe that, but I think explaining it helps clarify this feeling. TFA and TLJ both share/are about the same Event. TFA's b/c plot is all about the First Order destroying the New Republic and then the Resistance. This through-line is carried through the movie, moving from a minor plot point in TFA to being a major influence on characters in TLJ. This isn't a bad thing, and any other time I'd be praising this progression. But because of this story-plot and the lack of time passing, I always felt like these two stories are really just one big one split apart. Too different to be a Part 1 and 2, but the same in essence. This is fine if you have more than three "episodes" to tell a story, but falls apart unless part three is right after part two. The Lord of the Rings trilogy is a perfect example of an Event spanning three movies done right. It's one story - one Event - told over three parts. Harry Potter isn't a wrong example...but if Deathly Hallows Part 2 had a different director, would we hesitate to say both movies cover the same Event?


Contrast this with Endgame. Sure, the denouement of Infinity War is in Endgame, but after the time-skip everything is different: the characters focused on (for the most part) are different; the plot, while mirroring IW, is conducted differently; the tone and styles are completely different. Endgame is NOT Part 2 to Infinity War in terms of Event. The two work as a duology, a movie and the sequel, or even mirrors to one another, but NOT as a Part 1 and Part 2 in the way that other movies stylized with this format are (Twilight, Hunger Games, Harry Potter, what Divergent tried and failed miserably at, what Maze Runner avoided).

I can -and probably will, eventually - right SO MUCH MORE about this movie, but it's late and I'm tired.

 

I'm back! ...and it's weird that the last post in this thread was mine...five months ago... Anyways, a while back I made a list of how I divide the movies. As the MCU is ever growing and expanding, this categorization also changes. But today's change is a small one. Instead of having Spider-Man: Far From Home as the "epilogue" to Phase 3, I've officially put it as the "prologue/first episode" of Phase 4.

In my mind, all the phases that can should start with Iron Man (or a Stark if you're starting Phase 1 with Captain America 1). Moving FFH into that space lets Tony still play this role while moving the world forward. Also, Endgame doesn't need an epilogue. It's an end of an era - the end of the book. We had our epilogue in the movie itself. FFH is about legacy and new beginnings, so the first chapter it is.

 

I picked up Far From Home on Blu-Ray while doing my Triple Force Friday shopping and I’ve already rewatched it twice... I think it might be one of my top three favorite MCU films, if not my #1 pick.

The action and dialogue are great and coming from a guy who thinks that the soundtracks of a lot of these superhero movies are bland, Michael Giacchino’s work in this movie is incredible and is probably my favorite non-Star Wars soundtrack in a long time.

Two thumbs up from me!

 

I love most of the MCU films (and don’t dislike any of them). Doctor Strange is my favourite, so the sequel to that is my most anticipated.

 

While I wasn't a fan of the first movie (I like Doctor Strange more in Infinity War), I'm excited to see how it's gonna tie into WandVision and how they'll make the sequel work from there.

 

Hmmm....non-Star Wars soundtracks.....maybe a new thread on that?

Let me see.....Avengers by Silvestri.......Glory! by James Horner....Superman both old (JW) and new (Zimmer)......

 

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More than a little insensitive to the families of those who actually died on that ship.

 

@NinjaRen and I just watched Ant-Man, haven't seen this one before, I would say this one goes on my top 5 list. Paul Rudd is so loveable.

 

Anthony was the MVP!

 

The Ant-Man films are vastly underrated.

 

Black Widow, as I just got an email from my local movie theatre announcing its NZ release on October 29 and I'm always looking forward to my next MCU fix.