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Marvel's What If...? Show Discussion

Discussion in 'Disney/LFL' started by Use the Falchion, Aug 15, 2021.

  1. Use the Falchion

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    So the first episode aired on Wednesday! What are your thoughts? Hopes? Expectations? Theories?

    I for one LOVED the first episode. The animation was slick and flowed gorgeously, even if the models felt off most of the time. The colors popped, and the storyline was familiar yet unique. I was wrong about a few things though. I had one major prediction that I was 100% sure of, and was absolutely wrong. I'm a little disappointed they didn't go in that direction either, but I'm excited to see what happens next.

    My friend really enjoyed the show too, but he was very critical of the pacing. He wasn't wrong, not by a long shot. And I agree with his critique. This episode was weirdly paced at times, but that also makes sense - they condensed a two hour movie into a thirty minute show episode.

    What bothered me about the pacing was that Marvel really doesn't need to do such a thing. Many fans would watch this if it was twenty minutes or two hours, and this episode really could have used the extra twenty minutes. (Or at least an extra 10-15 for the romance stuff.) If the story needed an extra 15-20 minutes, I think the story could have been split into two episodes like the first two seasons of Justice League were, and released that way. THAT BEING SAID, Marvel runs a tight ship with their releases, and they've probably timed this to run right into Ms. Marvel or The Mandalorian or whatever comes out next, so it make sense why they didn't go with that format.

    Besides, this being a cartoon, the show is probably meant for younger kids with shorter attention spans, and the die-hard, brand-loyalty fans. (Unless Captain Carter and some of her peers show up in Doctor Strange & the Multiverse of Madness or Loki Season 2, which are very possible outcomes.)

    Overall, I can't wait to re-watch this on a screen larger than my phone, and I can't wait for future episodes.


    I was COMPLETELY convinced that Steve was going to fall in the crash and become this universe's version of the Winter Soldier. He and Peggy would then go on to live in the present together happily, instead of him returning to the past to be with Peggy. (This may not be the Cap/Winter Soldier ship fans may have wanted, but it could have been one regardless.)

    I also really hope that stories set in the future of that world explore the gender politics of Peggy being Captain Carter. The unfortunate truth is that she probably didn't make that much of a difference. But with women more present in the workplace, a woman as the poster-girl for the current war, and her becoming a martyr in many ways, I can see that changing gender dynamics in a way that sped up things in her timeline. And since it's fantasy, who's to say that didn't happen!?
     
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    Gah... i have a long standing promise with my kid that I'll always watch new SW and Marvel stuff with her, so I gotta wait until next Thursday for her next visit before we can watch and by then there'll be 3 eps to catch up on!
     
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    I thoroughly enjoyed both episodes. They did a good job of exploring alternate realities of the familiar and I liked that some scenes were nearly exact copies of what we saw from the movies but tweaked for this. The tribute to Chad Boseman was a nice touch as well. Looking forward to the rest of them.
     
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    I have watched both episodes now. While both were good, I really liked the creativity of the 2nd one. Both episodes brought a smile to my face.
    I actually thought that they might show Steve get killed, sending Peggy down a dark path of vengeance
     
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    Agreed!

    Captain Carter
    was an incredible character, and I hope to see more of them in the future (apparently a sequel episode is already planned for Season 2).

    But I definitely preferred the direction of the second episode. It still did a great job of showing us twists on the familiar, but in a way that felt much more fresh- and I kinda like the idea that perhaps the canon MCU isn't the most perfect arrangement of its characters
    (though given Ego's plans possibly succeeding now, perhaps it is after all!)
     
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    First we had Doctor Strange acting awfully sus in the No Way Home trailer last week, to the point where some people were .

    Now we have a "What If" where another universe's Doctor Strange pretty much goes evil and loses everything.


    I know a lot of people are confused by why Doc Strange needs to cast a spell to open the multiverse in FFH if Sylvie killing He that Remains in Loki apparently already did that, but here's the way I see it: Sylvie unlocked the door, Strange opened it. Unwittingly... probably.


    I'm sure I'm not the first person to wonder if this week's dark version of Strange might somehow be connected to why FFH's version feels so... off. What if ("What IF?") Dark Strange was able to the MCU's universe after Sylvie, from his own prison of a purple sphere of a universe? Then, for whatever reason, used his knowledge of universal travel to unleash the Sinister Six from across dimensions against Spidey?

    It's a weird and wild thought, and I pretty much doubt it'll come to pass. But it's interesting. The main question is: why? As dark as the new Strange is, he doesn't come across as evil, not in the sense that someone like even a relatively developed villain like Thanos might. This strange is actually pretty sympathetic.

    I know it's a stretch, but Christine Palmer's heavy involvement in this episode might provide a clue. Claire Temple from Daredevil is heavily based on Christine's character in the comics, and Charlie Cox is rumored to be in this film, so... maybe there's a connection there? Somehow? Though it still doesn't really explain the Sinister Six.

    I dunno, I definitely feel like I'm grasping at straws and I think that I'm an experienced enough geek to know that Far From Home will probably be in no way related to this episode, but if you'd permit me one more crackpot theory:

    What If™ this version of Doctor Strange becomes the MCU's Mephisto? He sure did look like a demon in the end (and conveniently, maybe that would allow Mephisto to sidestep some of the problems China's censorship would've had with the character).
     
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    What If...? was a welcome pleasure as a youth collecting comic books, when I came across it in my local comic book shop for the first time, I had to have it.

    What If..? Wolverine had killed the Hulk! is the one issue I remember the most. Everyone who is a fan knew the outcome of that battle, but what if..?
    Wolverine was capable of committing such a task?

    The covers were drawn by some of the best illustrators in the comic industry and they popped! Some of the stories were made for pure fun, but some were so thought provoking as a fan of the Marvel Universe one had to pick those issues.

    I think Kevin Feige can relate to my experience, since he was an avid comic book collector as well. I believe he produced this series simply for that reason.

    How these stories will fit in the current MCU timeline? Who really knows? but in Kevin Feige I trust, so bring them on every Wednesday.

    I don't think its a coincidence that the show is released on Wednesday, which is new comic book day at your local comic book shop... marketing you my fathom? who really knows but bring it on every Wednesday!
     
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    New episode felt so much longer than its runtime, but in a good way. It was just packed with content.

    That's what's wild about these episodes- they take characters we're more than familiar with by now, and just basically play dress up with them, mixing and matching in various permutations. An entire feature-length story can be told in half an hour, because our brains can easily fill in most of the gaps in character development. It's brilliant.

    I did hope the teases to a larger overarching story would continue this week, but perhaps it's for the best that we got a strong stand-alone story after last week's more overt anomalies.
     
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    Yet to see Ep. 5.

    Episode Ranks so far IMHO:
    2. Very creative and excellent writing, good comedy
    4. Amazingly dark
    1. Peggy kicks ass
    3. Creative & dark, but missing something
     
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    Now that one was fun.
    I would have released it closer to Halloween but still a really fun one. "'I'm covered in Sharon!!" lol.
     
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    In a way, I kinda like how every episode has built to what seems to be some big truth about The Watcher and the timelines, and this time Uatu was basically just like "Y'all wanna see some wild and nasty s***?" :p
     
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    Question: was Killmonger aware that T'Chaka killed his father? I can't remember if he knew
     
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