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SPECULATION Master Codebreaker Theory

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by McDiarmid, Dec 19, 2017.

  1. master_shaitan

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    The MC was a throwaway character. He’s not Palpatine resurrected, Rey Solo’s twin brother or some other far out theory you’ve constructed.

    As for the overly discussed space chase, yes it has flaws. Yes it’s contrived. But this is Star Wars. Look too closely and you’ll pull the whole series to bits.
     
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    Everyone knows Maz Kanata! Poe was destroying Ties right above her Castle too.

    As for the MC character. He's obviously a throw away. When are people going to learn that if they get little to no screen time or exposition, they aren't important characters or important to the story.
     
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    Excuse Me...? This is a multi-billion dollar enterprise. Many scenes died bringing us the final product. THERE ARE NO THROWAWAY CHARACTERS
     
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    He’s a plot device. Nothing more.
     
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    well, i'm a little shocked frankly. Suffice to say strongly and respectfully disagree with your analysis
     
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    Yo
    You disagree that the Master Codebreaker was a throwaway character? Are you sure you’re not thinking of DJ?
     
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    They shouldn't stop just because they hit the vacuum of space. Inertia dictates they will continue in initial direction of their momentum until acted upon by an opposing force. The vacuum wouldn't be an opposing force, it would actually help the bombs continue in their initial direction.

    Star Wars has also been in the science fantasy genre, not science fiction. Things haven't always went as they should. Ships and lasers wouldn't make sounds. XWings and Tie's wouldn't follow the same atmospheric flight principals as WWII fighters, which their combat maneuvers were based on. Their are just real world physic laws that the GFFA never really followed. Don't see as much new to me.
     
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    I actually like this theory!
    If it somehow comes true, it would be pretty bizarre and interesting.
     
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    The fans:
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    The trilogy spanning masterplan waiting to be uncovered (created by Storygroup™):
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    So... Master Codebreaker = Plagueis confirmed or not?
     
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    It's confirmed up to the point of not being confirmed.
     
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    Let's consider something here -

    Velocity in space is constant. Acceleration takes fuel. You are correct about that. But there's another way to look at the chase - both fleets are accelerating. They're both burning fuel to do so. Because the Resistance fleet is made of smaller ships the Resistance can accelerate at a rate just enough to keep the First Order from getting into firing range, but the limited fuel supply means they can only do this for so long. After that the ships run out of fuel and quit accelerating. Those that do "fall behind" not because they're losing speed, but because the First Order is gaining speed while they're not.
     
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    My self-denial of fleet chase scientific inplausability.
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    Ok, about that matter I have studdied myself the subject, and since in the meantime ,after many times watching it , I found to adore ep VIII, I must ,as an intellectual , and 40 years old Star Wars fan, help Star Wars in here and deny me myself (since, obviously , Filmmaker does not even try:mad:)

    From the point of most advanced physics in our time, it is predictable that in a sub-light speed fuel will be spent to maintain constant speed against the drag of a subatomic elusive particles ...Higgs Bosons (known also as God particles,...I mean the Force particles:p). The vacuum in fact is not empty but a sea of elusive Higgs Bosons which give mass to the objects but in fact act just as the water drags the passing ship.
    The effect will be more prominent as the speed of the flying object approaches Light speed, and ligher ships will be in advantage.


    There you are.

    Mey the Force be with you.
     
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    I mean it’s interesting and a fun read.... never gonna pan out that way but it was fun read.

    The master code breaker was just Johnson’s playing with audience expectations, before taking the story in the direction he wanted to go with D.J.

    But cool original theory!
     
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    Well a large space ship would use fuel for other things besides propulsion. The ship has things like lights and life support systems (to create gravity and oxygen in space). Of all the things that bothered me about the film, a spaceship needing to use fuel wasn’t one of them.
     
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    Is my post above visible just to me?

    I debunked myself, Higgs Boson, God particle... makes drag in vacuum when speed is sublight..:confused:https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....r-codebreaker-theory.53589/page-3#post-475798
     
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    thats confirmed enough for me!

    my issue with that whole thing has always been; hang on a ship that doesn't have enough fuel to travel faster then light is been chased by ships that do have enough fuel to travel faster then light, why don't the ships following them just jump in front of them? or get some of their ships from else were in the galaxy to jump in front of them?
    Plus thats only one of the issues round that part of the film.... the less said about holdo the better.
    Any wrong thread to discuss that and even if we did the likelihood is it would go the same way as every discussion about it, people like the film defend issues and people who don't attack them and we go round and round.
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    If I remember correctly, they had enough fuel for one more hyperspace. But since the FO could track them, it would be useless and they would be dead in the water after the jump. Either way, they are going to be dead in the water, but continuing as they were would just prolong it. Prolonging the inevitable in hopes to give time to come up with a possible, viable plan. Disabling the lead ship tracking them so they could jump without being tracked was what they came up with. It look at as kinda like a Football (US) or basketball game, they loosing time will keep using time outs at the end to prolong the loosing in hopes that a miracle play will happen.

    As far the FO jumping in front of them and Im no hyperspace expert but as Han said, "traveling through space ain't like dusting crops". It's a linear movement. You would jump from point A to point B, adjust direction to jump from point B to point C and continue until you reach your destination. You wouldn't make curves like in a car, think Tron (original) light cycles. All the while you are trying to make the multiple jumps to get ahead, the object object is still moving forward and in the same place.

    Im certainly not saying I could not be done though. Questioning tactical decisions of other while not in the heat of the moment will mostly always yield other possibilities, which is why sports teams, and the military analyze the tactics after the fact. I just guess if everyone made the correct and optimal tactical decisions in every movie battle, then their wouldn't be much of a battle to show.
     
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    i mean it a bit of a tenacious argument,

    I mean you've got to be able to jump a certain level of accuracy, other wise you'd be jumping ending up in planets all the time and what not, we also saw holdo navigate a jump that went zigzag through the New order fleet (something which i have separate issues with as it basically makes every single space battle we have seen up to this point seem pointless) and in the previous film we saw Han "traveling through space ain't like dusting crops" Solo jump through a shield to land on a planet. So in this logic getting a few of your ships to jump in empty space in front of a few other ships or a few ships from else where should be very straight forward.

    So if we are saying it isn't just a bit a weak writing and is actually a designed element of the plot then you have to assume its a tactical decision by the new order that they decide to wait it out. Which personally i don't think really makes sense within the film, as you see Hux's rant and frustation when the Restiance ships pull out of range and his anger that despite all their power they can't destroy a few little ships that second, so it doesn't come across that he is happy waiting and it was a tactical decision.

    The last option of course the Johnson just wrote it that way and hoped the audience wouldn't think about the fact they could just use light speed... which is the one i think is the real answer but thats just my opinion.

    Look i agree their are ways tenuous ways you can kind of justify it, but their are pretty much tenuous ways you can justify anything if you put you mind to it. For me though setting so much of the film against this back drop with this weak plot point isn't great, especially when you consider all the following weak plot points revolving around Holdo.

    But like i said in my original post, if you like the film you will not be bothered by these points and will be happy to accept tenuous fan made explanations and if you don't like the film then you are gonna want stronger explanations or it give you more fuel to dislike the film.
     
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    Because the fleet was in a different place :) A-Wings escort the fleet, not X-Wings.

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    She didn't plot a 'zigzag jump': those were debris pieces from the raddus. The Raddus rams the Supremacy, and debris pieces going faster than light pierce some of the escort ships.

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    The 'evil guys' decision making is always determined by hubristic logic in Star Wars. Just a trope, present in every Star Wars movie.
     
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