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Maybe Luke went back in time to save his mom

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Xeven, Oct 27, 2018.

  1. Xeven

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    ultimately saving her could change the events with Vader. Doing that could also prevent Ben from going Dark. That might save EP on but Ben would not likely go Dark? Lots could change with WBW being canon.
     
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    what if luke accidentally screws up padme and anakins relationship
     
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    My theory on time travel to the past is that it is impossible to change the current timeline. Going back to the past only creates a new alternate timeline but the original will always still exist.
     
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    Please no time travel! This would destroy everything the characters had to go through. The pain, the loses, the joy, the victories and so on.
     
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    I'm of two minds about using time travel in Star Wars. Time travel is a powerful fictional tool, and used well can be very interesting (e.g. Terminator, Star Trek 2009). The reason I think it worked very well in JJ's Star Trek is because the characters were not the old ones, strictly speaking. They were the "same" characters but in a different timeline, as @Adam812 wisely suggests.

    That said, Star Trek IV did allow time travel to change the events of the current timeline (?), by bringing whales from the past to save the day. However, we never know if the timelines remain the same or if it's a different timeline when Kirk and co "return" to the future.

    So, at the end of the day it's all about execution, I guess. Time travel tends to create interesting dynamics and JJ has proven that he can do it well.
     
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    Yes and yes to the above...

    First of all, when the Force Portal was introduced in Rebels that allowed Ezra to save Ahsoka I was quite happy about it, BECAUSE it didn't necessarily alter a timeline per se, it only opened a doorway to another place, AND when Palpatine showed Ezra his parents, that was only a ruse to trap Ezra so Palpatine could gain access to, and power within the portal, and Ezra declined, therefore closing that opportunity for Palpatine.

    If SW actually introduces time travel as a "thing" that would be used, it'd be the worst thing they could do, and I think that they know it, because it would create a massive paradox in the SW universe where EVERYTHING could be retconned...and I don't think they'll do it...they're not that stupid and/or blind.

    IF they introduced it and actually used and portrayed it, I believe that it would only be utilized as a window for observation and not much more or better than a recording of the past that could be viewed, because otherwise it becomes a huge can of worms, and the SW universe (in the eyes of the fans) would potentially become less credible as a result.

    With THAT being said, I think the opening to time and space COULD be utilized going forward as a way to move from place to place in the current timeline but only once or twice under VERY SPECIAL circumstances...as a (please don't hate me) transporter of sorts from Trek...to move to other worlds but ONLY in the current timeline.

    As to what was said above, I do also think that due to the time travel paradox, time travel for the sake of changing something in the past would indeed only create a new timeline, as the one that's to be changed is impossible as those following events have already happened and cannot be undone...so therefore a new timeline would spring into existence in a parallel universe, but the current one would remain here, unaltered.

    Now, as to the OP's speculation; I've said a hundred times already that I'm not entirely sold on the "fact" that Luke has died, as there are just too many things in my mind that don't ring true...

    1. When one ascends into the Force, it is only his (or her) PHYSICAL state, and everything else is left behind....and we DID NOT see Luke's robotic hand fall to the ground when he disappeared, because that hand is a MAJOR thing in this saga, and in my mind, it's too important to be overlooked....and I noticed it right away..."Where's the hand??" I just cannot believe that THAT would've been overlooked...the canonical story group would've had to hard stop that scene and have it added in...or not, for a reason. This alone, is my biggest "pause point" about the disappearance of Luke, because IF it was missed/overlooked, someone (or many someones) blatantly dropped the ball, and if in fact they DID drop that ball and try to lazily explain it away later on, I'll be pretty disappointed in the story groups "Ability" to do their job....especially with an article of that significance. I'm not sold...because they haven't tried to definitively or convincingly (with any real effort) tried to explain it away.
    2. We've seen Luke become so adept at his understanding of the Force, that he has been shown to have the ability to project his likeness to other places in the galaxy and interact directly and physically with that environment (he kissed Leia on Crait), yet at the same time, we now know that there is a Force portal where one with enough understanding of the Force can utilize it and physically travel to other places. Remember, Luke is the most powerful Jedi, and he should have that understanding. Did I mention that robotic hand that didn't fall to the ground? Yeah, there's that. Still not sold...
    3. When Luke decided to "Disappear" to Ahch-To....why did he leave a map?? THAT in and of itself seems to me to be the biggest blunder that one could make in the act of trying to disappear. It's like running from the law but leaving a forwarding address to your new life....somebody is going to figure it out. With that, I think it's feasible that Luke entered that very portal in order to truly disappear and to not be pursued or sought out...no map, and no forwarding address...and could show his face later when it was truly time.
    4. Despite what Mark recently tweeted about Luke dying; I don't trust Hamill when it comes to that, not that I think he's lying, but only perhaps speaking metaphorically, and knowing that as we've seen his trolling tweets often, and as a result, I go back to the working title of Episode 9......."trIXie", and Hamill IS the Trickster, as could be Luke. And ALSO remember that the novel also DOES NOT say that Luke died, only "passed into the Force" which I think could've been VERY craftily and deliberately worded. Nope, still not sold...
    In the end, I (without resistance) WILL concede that Luke could very well have died...he could be dead, but in my mind there are just too damned many incidentals that point away from it...too many things that if have been missed by the story group, I will say they've done a piss-poor job of "closure", but I don't imagine that's the case....I just cant believe it, and again because of it...I'm not sold that Luke's dead, and I think they've provided themselves with a discreet avenue to keep him alive...at least through the end of IX, in order to say "We didn't SAY he was dead, only into the Force!!".

    In THAT event, I don't think that he went back in time, but potentially (and deliberately) entered the Force to fully understand it...to soak it up...all of it...as his last lesson in the Jedi ways, and will step out of that elevator elsewhere to reemerge as the greatest Jedi ever and close the arc in the most fitting way for Luke, before we see him die in order to relinquish the reigns to the newest generation in the next trilogy with Rey and Ben....and yes, they'll both survive IX.

    Could all of this be wishful thinking based on a small handful of facts that seemingly contradict Luke's death?? Yes, it very well could...

    Do I think it's "fan wishful thinking"?? No, because I'm still not sold...he's only gone directly into the Force itself for his final lesson as a Jedi, and will re-emerge...otherwise I wouldn't blathered on like this. :D:D
     
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    That would also destroy the entire point of star wars .
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    Ben did not go dark because his grandma died...he did it because he was most likely brainwashed and delusional about the nature of his grandpa..
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    This is not going to go the way you think. Iwon't dive deeper into the issue but if you want to know why such a thing would be a disaster to all parties involved you have to watch the third season of Twin Peaks. Changing the past always seems tempting but this feeling will lead you astray and ultimately destroy you.
     
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    I don’t think it makes sense to introduce time travel in part 9 of a nine-part story. In my opinion this would be almost like announcing that IX will include Spider-Man.
     
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    Time travel is generally a very lazy way of getting around actual problems in a story to just ignore them or make them not have consequences.
     
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    Didn't they say, they left out Lukes arm deliberately because they felt the sound of the arm falling down would destroy the scene.
     
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    They may have, but the "sound" would've/could've been easily been covered by the musical score, which (as I said above) would be a weak excuse in my mind.
     
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    But they music fades out while Luke is dying, so it couldn't have been covered by the music itself. There would have been needed a much louder music to cover it up, but loud music is ususally connected to a happy moment or a moment of victory. Luke's death is nothing of that. So, it was the right call to leave out the metal arm falling down.
     
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    Thanks for this. This is how I see it, too. It wasn't technically time travel, especially when seen from each character's own point of view.

    Like Gandalf between Fellowship and Two Towers? I can see TPTB doing this, to explain Luke not being dead.
    However, I'm afraid in this case they made some artistic choices concerning the robot hand, as to not make the scene silly by focusing on that.
    Remember, both Rey and Leia acknowledge the fact that Luke's gone and not in a closed off from the Force kinda way.
    (same with Yoda in RotJ confirming that yes, Darth Vader is Luke's father; which was put in to set the minds of many kids at ease).
     
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    Im not much on time travel on the screen. The fact that you cannot go back to change things is what gives decision making its importance. Plus I don't think saving Padme will change much. Anakin had made his decision when he assisted the killing of Mace, pledged his allegiance to Sidious and massacred the Jedi young-lings.
     
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    No.
    And not because Time Travel.
    It’s that story wise makes absolutely no sense.
    Being a Jedi is about to let it go.
    Not about changing the course of events.
    That’s the dark side...

    As some of you know... the only thing I think they can do
    is about Anakin himself.
    But for specific reasons.

    If they’ll go with the reveal that he was “created” somehow by Plagueis and /or
    Palpatine, they may use too (but one thing doesn’t necessarily mean the other)
    the trope of the self fulfilling prophecy even further coupled with that of the hero’s return..
    in flesh and blood.
    Theat can be done. As if everything - from I to IX - was a kind of loop.. not a Time Travel thing.
    And from this pov they may even play with the idea that the Cosmic Force
    was umbelanced since he was born the first time (see Obi Wan’s first quote - and one of first at all - in ep. I) just because it wasn’t supposed to happen that way.
    So that Balance, in the end, will be to fix this problem.
    To align the course of events to real Will of the Force.
    Having him be born in the “right” time/circumstances.
    He will bring balance and everything - his first life, his children, everything that we’ve seen -
    helped to reach the goal.

    Beside this, that is unlikely too (I know) I don’t see anything else that may be
    tied up with what the story told in the Skywalkers Saga was/is about, without damaging the lore.
     
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    Luke is either joined the Force (dead) or he used the Force which is stronger on Ach-too to time travel or teleport himself somewhere.

    We may find him on Jakku, Tatooine, back in time snatching Pademe or just a blue force ghost. He could also have gone to find someone else? He sank his X-Wing because maybe Luke doesn’t need a ship to travel any longer?

    Honestly, I want Luke alive to correct how RJ messed him up also because Carrie passed.
     
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    This would mess up Luke FAR worse than anything RJ did.
     
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    Having him dead is actually much better because now he can play a much bigger role. He can't haunt Kylo, but also teach Rey. As a living being he couldn't do that.
     
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    No. Just... no.
     
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